1911 full length guide rod

Discussion in '1911 Forum' started by Chainfire, Oct 18, 2011.

  1. Chainfire

    Chainfire Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I have been shooting a 1911 for many, many moons now and have a newbie question:

    What is the advantage of a full length guide rod?
     
  2. JonM

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    None.

    You only need a flg if your using a recoil spring above 20lbs. At that point it helps to keep it from binding. Below that it serves no purpose.
     

  3. neilage66

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    There is psychological advantage.

    A loose pistol will feel somewhat more precise and smooth when racking the slide.
     
  4. Chainfire

    Chainfire Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Thanks for the answers.

    The reason I asked is, my son bought a used .45 that had a lot of bells and whistles added and this was one. The slide had been sticking at full recoil and after a bunch of trial and error I found that the FGR was slightly bent. I managed to straigten it and changed to a known spring (16# Wolff) and the gun operates fine now. It was my gut feeling just to go back to the original spring and guide rod if there was no advantage to the FGR.

    My son's .45 is kind of interesting in that it is a Remington Rand slide on a Randall frame. (a real bargain at a gun show) We figure in time we can find the matching slide and frame to make two nice .45s.
     
  5. canebrake

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    Jon nailed it, if you are shooting standard .45 ACP loads you have no need for anything other than the standard GI guide rod.
     
  6. bountyhunter

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    You can drill a hole in it and use it to take down the rod, spring, and reverse plug as a captive assembly. You never have to fight a recoil spring again.
     
  7. Wambli

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    What he said. I have both in several guns and I can't tell any advantages to one or the other.
     
  8. EMTchad

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    I actually needed to figure this one out for myself since it's a personal choice. I
    Shot with my flgr, 150 rounds, and then disassembled and put on the GI guide rod, 150 rounds, and then AGAIN flgr 100 rounds... Result? NO difference on my shooting. For some
    Psychological reason it seemed to feel smoother
    With the flgr but I shot pretty much the same. Going
    With the GI guide rod for easy stripping
     
  9. JonM

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    The reason there is no difference in accuracy is because the 1911 locks up on the barrel bushing and the locking lugs cut in the barrel hood at the top rear of the slide and top of the chamber. The guide rod and spring doesnt play any part of the accuracy equation.
     
  10. EMTchad

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    I just think it's psychology plays the most part for Newbie
    Shooters including myself ^^
     
  11. NickySantoro

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    I have one in my house gun. It definitely racks smoother and seems to have a bit less felt recoil. I don't have one in my Ballester and wouldn't have bought the one I have if I had known the benefit would be marginal.
     
  12. Chainfire

    Chainfire Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Thanks for all of the replies guys!

    Gonna get my boy the regular guide rod, if the work we did doesn't fix it.

    My old 1911 rattles and shakes like a crack addict in a recycle dumpster, with the GI guide rod, but she still shoots better than I do. I ain't no Todd Jarrett, but paper, in this neck of the woods fears me. My big problem with smithing the .45 is, I have had it since about 1993, shot maybe 10,000 rounds through it and nothing has ever broken; now some of my other pistols and revolvers, I am damn good at fixing.:)
     
  13. danf_fl

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    The 1911 was designed without the FLG. Supposedly, when JMB was asked about the spring possibly kinking, his reply was that the spring is suppose to kink.

    I have a few with the FLG (installed by the factory or by myself at the time I thought I needed it). For some applications, it is okay. But no improvement from what I've seen.

    Just another way to separate you from your money. Not that I am blaming anyone who sells one, they have to keep up with demand.
     
  14. bountyhunter

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    Being able to capture the spring on the rod for takedown is worth the price of admission. It also makes the idiot mark obsolete since you install the slide with the spring captured so you can easily install the slide stop before releasing the spring.

    Whenever I tell people how much easier the drilled FLGR makes cleaning the gun, I feel like a guy trying to give away ten dollar bills with people handing them back because they think that they must be fake.
     
  15. canebrake

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    OK, here's the hot poop on the FLGR.

    It was designed by the guys at the Fishing Lure School of Design. You know the one, it's where they design the lure to catch the fisherman, not the fish. :p
     
  16. bountyhunter

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    OK, well that's all good. If you like fighting the recoil spring in and out every time go for it. me, I push the slide back and insert the capture clip in the hole in the FLGR and then the whole rod/spring/bushing are one piece. I take the gun down, clean it, do anything I want and they sit on the bench while I do. Then reassemble the gun with spring held in place, remove clip and done.

    There isn't enough money on earth to make me go back to fighting a recoil spring on a 1911. It's just a no brainer.
     
  17. jismail

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    I have a full size Kimber Custom in stainless and it has a FLGR. I assume it came that way. I hate wrestling with it when putting it back together.

    Can someone post me a link to a short guide rod and spring in stainless that will work in my pistol? When I look on Brownells, they all seem to be FLGRs.

    Thanks!
     
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  20. MrWray

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    I believe 16lb is factory