1911 Clone Safety Question

Discussion in '1911 Forum' started by AR10, Jul 17, 2013.

  1. AR10

    AR10 New Member

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    Some 1911 clones, the safety locks in the down hammer position, or first click position, as well as cocked and locked.

    An example would be a Star PD.

    What other 1911 clones have other than standard 1911 safeties?

    Interested in a 1911 style 45 , but not a fan of the safety. I had a Star PD years ago, and I prefer the safety on that.

    Also, is it possible to modify 1911s to lock hammer on first click?
     
  2. austin92

    austin92 New Member

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    My Rock Island will only engage the safety with the hammer fully back
     

  3. danf_fl

    danf_fl Retired Supporter

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    The 1911 (as a SA semi-auto) is not designed to work in that fashion.
    The thumb safety is designed to block movement of the sear. Can you change it to function when the hammer is down? Yes, but with parts that could compromise the reliability of the 1911 (cutouts in sear, and some other things).

    The 1911 hammer is normally carried in the down postion if there is not a round in the chamber, which renders the firearm safe already.

    Although some do it, it is not a recommendation to carry a 1911 with hammer down and have a round in the chamber. To put the hammer down on a loaded chamber requires that the trigger be pulled (and one firearm safety rule is to keep you finger off the trigger until on target and ready to fire).
     
  4. SSGN_Doc

    SSGN_Doc Well-Known Member

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    Are you wanting to be able to cycle the slide with the safety engaged? I'm confused about "first click". My 1911s only have two safety positions, up or down, with only one click to either position. The hammer has three basic positions, down, half-cocked, fully cocked. A 1911 would only lock in the fully cockedx position, and the slide is blocked from cycling when the safety is engaged.

    There was a modification to the slide that would allow the slide to be cycled while the safety is engaged and the hammer is back,

    I don't know of a modification that would allow the manual safety to be engaged while at half-cocked. But the half-cocked notch on the hammer of the 1911 is much more substantial than the sear notch, some even have a capture lip on them that come over the back side of the sear edge, so if it is in half-cock it isn't going anywhere. The problem is that to disengage from half-cock you need to partly cock it and pul the trigger. So the chamber MUST be empty when doing this so that a slip at this point doesn't result in a negligent discharge.
     
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  5. HOSSFLY

    HOSSFLY New Member

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    NO true 1911 clone safety will work in any manner other than full cock position---
    The Star PD is one of the many 1911-inspired style pistols-NOT a clone or really that close to one -
    IMHO altering the safety on any gun is just begging for a bad ending :(
     
  6. AR10

    AR10 New Member

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    OK, what other" inspired" pistols have a safety that engages the slide locked and hammer cocked or not cocked? Example: Star PD.

    Looked at an earlier Para Ordenance P12 yesterday. Price was right, $475, but I could not get my mind around the safety being cocked and locked only. Had the safety opperated like my old Star PD, I would have ticked the wife off and adopted another gun.
     
  7. JonM

    JonM Moderator

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    What your describing is usually found on military handguns from the 1920's to 1950's with an emphasis on military sales to various nations.

    What your looking at is design features that militaries like to use wherre the pistolis more of a uniform decoration or purely a sign of station. The need to make the pistol as difficult to get into action for such a role is why that feature is desired by such units or armies.

    Some notable designs are the tokarev and makarov cz75 berreta 92 early design with frame mounted safety and others
     
  8. Thebiker

    Thebiker New Member

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    If condition 1 is worrisome to you, perhaps the 1911 platform is not the best choice for you.

    One option that pops to mind is a pistol with a decocker. Allows for a round in the chamber with the hammer safely down. The first trigger pull is DA but subsequent shots are SA in many cases. Sig classic series (P226, 229, 220etc) comes to mind as well a a couple of CZ models.

    Just my thoughts on a personal preference.YMMV.
     
  9. SSGN_Doc

    SSGN_Doc Well-Known Member

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    The Smith and Wesson M39 , M59 series autos had some different safeties that would allow different safe settings with the hammer down, but these are only lightly 1911 "inspired", and are DA/SA instead of SA autos.