12ga slugs for what game?

Discussion in 'General Shotgun Discussion' started by 500to22nut, Dec 18, 2012.

  1. 500to22nut

    500to22nut New Member

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    I am new here so excuse my lack of knowledge

    The power that you can get with mainly sabot slugs is very impressive and similar to a 45-70 in some ways
    Dixie ammo company has a new "dangerous game slug" I want to know how theses are more effective even though the have less ftlbs of energy and also can these slugs take on Africa in a rifled barrel from a mossberg 500 field model????
    Thanks
     
  2. John_Deer

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    You know what you consider as minimum ballistics for dangerous game in Africa. Here is a wonderful guide that will allow you to make your own decision http://www.ballistics101.com/.

    I only have an opinion and I have never been to Africa. If I decide to go to Africa I wouldn't even consider what is enough gun. I would rent or borrow the proper weapon from my guide.
     

  3. 500to22nut

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    I am asking out of curiosity.
    I'm not going to Africa anytime soon haha but that would be nice.
    I'm just curious what you could take on
    It's 870 grains traveling 1200 feet per second producing about 2500 ftlbs it's made of a solid heat treated alloy so it's way harder then lead that's what gives it penetration.
    I'm new here and excited to learn
     
  4. JonM

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    Dangerous game like elephant and cape buffalo the magic number has always been 45 caliber 500grain solid at 2100fps. A shotgun in any loading does not have the energy to safely and humanely take these enourmous and dangerous beasts.

    A shotgun slug will most likely lodge in a muscle after just barely penetrating the skin. Shotguns are barely effective on bear.
     
  5. 500to22nut

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    It's a 73.caliber 870gr bullet that is made for grizzly bear and moose!

    So what is the biggest thing you think it will take effectively at about 50 - 75 yards
     
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  6. JonM

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    In my opinion Deer and turkey and other types of birds. Shotguns are just not good big game guns.

    Bear are typically shot at very close range when hunting out of a tree stand. Police in alaska use 12ga on bear because its what they have for other purposes. Its often at very close range or used to make noise to scare a bear off or put down a moose wounded by a car. They arent hunting with them.

    Personally i wouldnt use a shotgun even on small black bear. I dont think its ethical or humane as slugs just arent good at penetrating thick hide.
     
  7. hiwall

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    870 grains!! That thing must kick like a mule.
     
  8. 500to22nut

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    Yeah Iike a giant mule on steroids lmao
     
  9. JonM

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    Its no where near the recoil impulse of a dangerous game rifle. I own two, a 458winmag and a 458LOTT a shotgun slug is to a 458 what a 223 is to a shotgun slug.

    A 458lott at max loads with a 510 grain bullet is slightly over the half way point to a 50bmg

    If you find yourself in south east wisconsin ill be happy to let you try a real dangerous game round :)
     
  10. c3shooter

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    Not only not adequate for African big game, also illegal.

    There are parts of the US where rifles are not legal for hunting- by default, shotgun slugs. Adequate for deer. Bear- at powder burn range. Slugs shed speed and energy very quickly compared to a spitzer rifle bullet- or even the frankfurter sized bullets fired by the rifles Scott mentioned.
     
  11. NOVA

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    Learn something new every day! Not owning a true hunting rifle (not yet, anyway), I figured one day I'll get to try out my Mossburg 500 with the 22" rifled slug barrel. Sighted it in at the range and figured it would be a good hunting weapon from 50 to 150 yards. Now I'm realizing I don't want to try to shoot anything beyond 150 yards due to drop in penetration power. Good info!
     
  12. 500to22nut

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    I would take shots no farther then 100 my goal would be 50 yards
    I want to know what I can hunt with a 73.cal 870gr sabot slug out of a 24" rifled barrel

    A winchester dualbond slug is pushing 3400ftls at the muzzle but it's a 50.cal 375gr slug
     
  13. JonM

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    whitetail or mule deer sized critters would be the upper limit of a slug's ethical humane hunting limit in my opinion

    its not really the slug speed and wight thats the issue its the design. like canebrake said it drops energy stupid fast. on bigger critters like bears moose elk any real distance past 25-50 yards and its a crap shoot if it will get to the innards with enough energy. it acts just like a hollowpoint and hollowpoints are terrible for hunting anything.
     
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  14. hiwall

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    Jon, I think if you check a chart some 12 gauge loads exceed the recoil of the 458 win and Lott. I've shot several African rifles(and you can tell when they go off!) but those darn 12 gauges also kick something awful. I think this 12 gauge round would have a very very limited application(I can not think even what it would be). This round is a typical answer to a question that was never asked.
     
  15. 500to22nut

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    Alright Remington has sabot cor-lokt accu point slugs that are 50.cal would that be better for bear? It's an ounce going around 1700 fps I think
     
  16. 500to22nut

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    Alright so there is no possibilty of hunting anything other then deer with any type of slug?
     
  17. 7.62 Man

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    No, I use the Remington Premier Core-Lokt Ultra Bonded Sabot slugs in my Mossberg 500 24" slug barrel with integral scope base. Remington recommends that you zero your slug gun at 150yds when using these slugs to get the most out of your gun. I have shot these slugs out to 200yds with only about 3" drop when zeroed at 150yds. This 385gr slug is moving 1900ft/sec at the muzzle Remington says it is the flattest shooting slug out today. It is a great slug for deer or any other large animal.;)
    http://www.cabelas.com/shotgun-ammunition-remington-core-lokt-ultra-bonded-sabot-slugs.shtml
     
  18. 500to22nut

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    Haha that's exactly the set up I'm gunna be using! Would you trust it to take down elk and moose??
     
  19. 7.62 Man

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    It would take it down but it would most likely take more than one shot.
    Even high power rifles take two or more shots unless you hit the right spot.