12g for Hog and Home and more?

Discussion in 'General Shotgun Discussion' started by knfxda, Aug 12, 2011.

  1. knfxda

    knfxda New Member

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    OK. So I'm going to buy a shotgun for Hog Hunting and for Home Defense. However, I'm a realist and I suppose that this gun will never be shot in a true defensive role, but I want it to be able to fill that role, if it should ever come to that.
    • I know that I want a 12 g, pump action
    • I know that I don't want to spent a lot
    • I know that I will hunt hog with it
    • I know that I will target shoot at the range with it
    • I think that I want either a Mossberg 500 or a Remington 870
    • I think that I may shoot trap or skeet or 3 gun (this is far more likely than actually defending my home)
    • I may use it to hunt duck or turkey in the future (this is still more likely than defending my home)
    So, here's my long convoluted set of questions.

    • Given the above, what barrel length should I get?
    • Should I be looking at a 24" barrel? Will that work as a universal length or will it only be good for 4-legged game?
    • Do I want rifled or smooth bore, and why?
    • Do I want vented rib, ported, or fluted?
    • Should I buy a model that comes with 2 barrels? If so, which 2 lengths would most satisfy my needs?
    • Or should I just buy a single barrel gun and buy additional barrels later as I need them?

    A simpler way of answering this is: If you were in my situation, given my criteria, what would you buy? (And why?)

    I know that I'm asking a lot, so answer any, all, or none of these!

    Thanks! (I realize that I am asking for a serious shotgun education, here.)

    :D
     
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  2. fireguy

    fireguy New Member

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    Hope this helps you out. Shotgunning is lots of fun.
     

  3. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    AI don't care for the 500's. The barrel attachment is just goofy. It does not allow you to add an extended mag tube. The 590 is a much better gun, IMHO. It allows more flexability.

    The 870 use to be the standard all others were held to. Remington has apparently cut some corners and the current crop have issues, especially with the shell stops mounted/staked into the receiver. They have a nasty habit of coming out. As an agency we have abandoned the 870 for the 590.

    My personal preference is for the Winchester 1200/1300 series and the FN's made in the same mold. The trigger group is modular and much easier to maintain. The action is much faster than either the Remington or Mossberg.

    Unfortunately, Winchester went Tango Uniform for a while and the new replacement pump guns sold under that banner are as of yet unproven.
     
  4. Sniper03

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    It is only my thought, that you can shop around and find an 870 Remington Standard Model or three inch model that is used but like new at most gun shows and dealers and at a fair price. Most of the time they have not been shot much at all and the person rather isn't using it or traded it for something they wanted more. I like the standard grade 870s I am not in the the expresses and Light Weight Models. Also you can find optional barrels for them at a reasonable price. For what all you want to use it for one barrel is certainly not going to meet the ticket. If you are going to use it at first for Hog hunting and Target Shooting other than Clay targets, I would go with the 20" Rifle Sight Barrel. You can also get a mount to mount a scope on it. Then later on you can get a Modified Choke Barrel and a Full Choke Barrel and have everything for most applications you would ever want it for. I have this identical set up with the two extra barrels. I can hunt deer, hogs, Bear with the 20' Rifle Sight Barrel with slugs or 00, while I hunt Quail, Pheasant and other game with the modified. It is also good for doing a little skeet shooting. And last the 30' Full Choke Barrel for Duck, Geese, Fox and Coyotes and in the open Pheasant fields as well as a little trap shooting. I would also get the Modified and the Full in the vented rib barrels.
    Good Luck!
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  5. shootinfool

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    If you want a pump i would go with a remmy 870 or a winchester 1300. I have both and in my mind they are both good shotguns, it just comes down to which one you would rather prefer.

    "it flies it dies", "its brown its down"
     
  6. knfxda

    knfxda New Member

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    So, here's where I am right now: (All prices from Bud's)

    Remington 870 Express Super Magnum: $345/shipped
    28" Vent Rib, Rem-Choke (Mod)
    **Also have an option of a 26" in synthetic for the same price**

    Remington 870 Express Super Magnum Combo: $481/Shipped
    26" Vented Rib, Rem-Choke (Mod) & 20" Rifled

    So, basically do I go with the 26", the 28" or a combo with 20" and 26". They will all chamber 2-3/4 tp 3-1/2. They are all Magnum.

    I'm leaning towards the combo. Or should I save the $135 and use the 26" as a universal shotgun?

    Thanks for all the feedback so far!

    :D
     
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  7. Gripsmeister

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    Just so you know. Have you shot hogs before? Wild hogs are tough skined and slugs may have a bit of a hard time putting them down. You need something with good velocity and penetration. You will more than likely only wound and get only one shot and not do the trick. Then hes gonna run off and die somewhere you cant find him. Bird shot or buckshot is a no go. I dont think its a good idea for hogs.
     
  8. knfxda

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    It'll be a guided hunt with dogs. Not worried about the hog running off where he can't be found. Also, the guide actually will provide a Wingmaster and recommends Remington Slugger ammo for hogs as it penetrates undergrowth with less deflection than a rifle bullet.

    Given the landscape and the dogs, these aren't long shots.

    I won't be doing this until the fall, but I want to buy now and get proficient between now and then. Get setup right, figure out what ammo works best in the gun, and get some range experience under my belt.

    My problem now is that I'm getting so many varying opinions that I'm still struggling with my decision.

    The Mossberg 500 Slugster 12g 24": $301/shipped
    is now in the mix!

    It's a rifled barrel and I'm not 100% sold one way or the other. I think that the smooth bore would work at the distances I'd be shooting here in the South Florida Everglades/Lake Ocheechobee )(<50 yards) and the ammo would be 1/2 the price.

    However, the rifled barrel might be more versitile in that it would give me options to hunt accurrately at greater distances and there's no such thing a too accurrate!

    :confused:
     
  9. shootinfool

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    I agree with gripsmeister. You got some balls if your gonna shoot a hog with a 12 ga. I would rather be 200 yards away and hit him with a rem 700 in a .308. But i see your problem because you only have 50 yards.

    "it flies it dies", "its brown its down"
     
  10. cgersty

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    I own a remington 870 12 ga, and a mossy 500 slugmaster 12 ga that I inherited from my great great uncle, that slug gun is a tack driver I use 3" hornady sst and a nikon slug hunter scope, popped a doe last year at 167yds double lung, I also bought a NEF Pardner pump for my wife for her birthday, it was 179 otd at walmart, and is a very solid well put together inexpensive gun, we have shot the remmy sluggers out of it with a mod choke and its pretty damn accurate as well, it is identical side to side with my 870, its just as smooth and it swings very well. As far as the hogs go they havent migrated to my part of illinois yet so I have not hunted them but I know they are tough and mean, and I would want to make sure i dont have one charging me after being enraged by a giant lead bullet hitting him.

    Gersty
     
  11. knfxda

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    So, I want to thank everyone for their advice and opinions. Let me preface my decision by saying that all firearm decisions are compromises. There is no one "best", just what one perceives will work best for them.

    I chose to buy the Mossberg 500 Combo from Dick's Sporting Goods for $349.
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    I chose the 500 because:
    • I like the placement of the safety better on the Mossberg
    • I like the placement of the Action Release better on the Mossberg
    • The fit (length of pull) was better for me with the Mossberg
    • The 500 came with an integrated cheekpad (the Remington didn't) that felt good
    • $150 cheaper than the Remington 870 Combo (for this I can get a Red Dot Site, a hard case, and plenty of ammo)
    As for the Remington:
    • I'd concede that it is probably slightly better quality
    • It doesn't have the looseness in the fore-end that the Mossberg has
    • It came with a better scope (although I have no plans on using the scope and would upgrade it if I did)
    Ultimately, the advantages of the Mossberg (location of controls, fit, and price) couldn't be overcome by the incremental better quality of the Remington for me.

    Thanks, again!
     
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  12. Wambli

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    Well my cousin is an avid hog hunter and his situation allows him to hunt every week through the fall, winter and spring. He has taken literaly hundreds of hogs with an OLD Mossberg 500 with a short smoothbore barrel using slugs. He hunts thick GA swamps and palmetto flats where the shots are fast and furious and never very long.