1000YD AK Sniper Rifle

Discussion in 'AK & SKS Discussion' started by jd45, May 4, 2013.

  1. jd45

    jd45 New Member

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    Does the 7.62X39 cartridge have the power required to give this weapon this capability? The reason I'm asking is that yesterday I saw a re-run of an episode of "Sons of Guns" & they proceeded to build one with a custom barrel & full auto select, but when they range-tested it, they didn't set a target out at 1000yds, IIRC. I may be wrong but I don't see an "intermediate" cartridge like this being able to do it. Can someone enlighten me on the matter? Thanx in advance, jd45
     
  2. Squawk

    Squawk New Member

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    If you see it on Sons of Guns, it's probably not true.
     

  3. SSGN_Doc

    SSGN_Doc Well-Known Member

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    The cartridge is capable of reaching that far and it has accuracy potential if loaded consistently and fired froman accurate enough platform. What it will lack is a lot of reliable lethal performance. Don't have the figures in front of me but. It will be moving pretty slow at that distance, and dropping fast. So it would require a lot of scope elevation. Also projectiles get a little unstable and less repeatable for accuracy as they transition from supersonic speed to sub sonic speed.

    There are match rounds based on the 7.62x39,but they have mostly been necked down to use bullets with better ballistic coefficients to overcome those problems and flatten the trajectory and improve accuracy potential. (6mm PPC comes to mind.). This makes better target rounds, but that is not the same as making a better sniper round, because a sniper need a bullet to do more than punch a hole in paper or ring a gong.
     
  4. ShagNasty1001

    ShagNasty1001 New Member

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    The Saiga they used looked like it was the .308 variant by looking at the mags. Also, they never actually said what caliber that rifle was in, just "AK47"
     
  5. 7.62 Man

    7.62 Man New Member

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    Check out the ballistics on the 7.62x39 you will see it drops like a rock around 300 to 350 yds so I doubt if a 1000 yd shot could be made with any amount of repeatability.
     
  6. jd45

    jd45 New Member

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    You know, I don't know why I just assumed they'd use the standard chambering for a rifle like that.The 7.62 NATO round would be just the ticket for a 1000yd sniper rifle. Shouldn't be too involved to get it to work in that action, but I'm just guessing. Thanx for the enlightenment, jd45
     
  7. HockaLouis

    HockaLouis New Member

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    Think of the x39 as a type of pistol round. The Soviets did!

    Now the peope who emptied their $299 bank account on some AK will start making up a defense for their emotional investment, but, ignore them please...
     
  8. therewolf

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    Thread search this topic, which was thoroughly covered, for over a year,

    and mercifully closed, only a few weeks ago...

    ...I believe the exact name of the thread was

    "Red Jacket's 1000 Yard AK".

    Bottom line:
    1.- Rifle isn't accurate enough for 300, let alone 1000 yards.

    2.-Round is intermediate, designed for max effective range of 400 yards.

    3. Once you change the caliber of the round, for which the

    rifle was initially designed, and you change the design of

    the rifle to accurately shoot 1000 yards, you now have

    a new design, which doesn't meet initial specs, as an

    AK47.
     
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  9. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    famous words of Will Hayden!
     

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  10. kytowboater

    kytowboater Active Member

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    Neva Ben don befo!
     
  11. jd45

    jd45 New Member

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    HockaLouis, I think you need to upgrade your Avatar to include an ittsy-bittsy one right in the groin area! (grin). BTW, your point is well taken.
    Therewolf.....thanx for distilling a years' worth down to the nitty-gritty, which is.........that project was a TOTAL HUMBUG!!!
    axxe55.....that was funny! jd45
     
  12. Overkill0084

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  13. jd45

    jd45 New Member

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    overkill0084, just my 2 cents, but I just don't know concerning your reply. Maybe I'm just not up to snuff, as they used to say. No offense. jd45
     
  14. 7.62 Man

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    I believe what you mean is the 7.62x38r (7.62 Nagant) it is used in some old Russian revolvers.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7.62×38mmR

    Or you could mean the 7.62x25, this round was used in auto pistols & several submachine guns.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7.62x25_Tokarev

    The 7.62x39's development was influenced by the German's 7.75×39mm experimental round but until the builders in the US started making AK pistols the 7.62x39 had always been a mid-range rifle round.
     
  15. jd45

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    overkill0084, I just realized you were linking this discussion to the original 1000yd AK thread. My bad! jd45
     
  16. therewolf

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    In essence, there are many fine Soviet weapons which fire

    the 7.62X54R Russian round, which has great range.

    If you reload, or get the Boxer-primed American Brass ammo, you

    can get the heavier bullet weights which will arguably shoot

    well out to 1000 yards.

    Much like the venerated 30.06, the 7.62 Russian can be reloaded

    to 180,and 190 grain spitzer, and 220 grain round-nosed bullets.



    Either an old SVT40, or a Romanian FPK, both shoot the longer

    reaching 7.62 X 54R. Also Dragunov or Saiga.

    What's the point of re-inventing these guns?

    I'd advise getting into reloading, if you're truly

    interested in 1000 yards.
     
  17. jd45

    jd45 New Member

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    Therewolf, ("Where ya goin? I was gonna make expresso!!!) Someone told me when I was exploring building long range loads for my Remington 700
    Varmint Synthetic in .308, that up to 200yds, the Spire point had no advantage over a Round Nose, BUT beyond that, you had better choose a SP for pinpoint accuracy to the vitals on a game animal. RNs are adequate for longer distances on man-sized targets in wartime. I'd appreciate your feedback on this
     
  18. clr8ter

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    Seems to me that AK47, 1000 yards, and full auto are the phrases that can't co-exist. That's silly.
     
  19. texaswoodworker

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    Long range AK-47? Isn't that's basically a Dragunov/PSL/ect. (In other worlds, it has already been done)

    7.62x39mm is a lot like a 30-30. Decent at close range, bad at really long ranges. What they were probably using was a .308 or a 7.62x54R. Those rounds can, and will reach out to 1000 yards.

    If you want a long range gun, the AR platform is much better. An AR-10 will really reach out and touch something.

    Personally, I'd prefer a bolt gun for those distances.
     
    Last edited: May 5, 2013
  20. Sniper03

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    As has been advised by the others 7.62 X 39 being an effective 1000 yard gun! NOT! The 7.62 X 51 (308)is fair at that range and certainly can do it. I have shot many rounds at 1000. But better yet is the 300 Win Mag or 338 Lapua!
    Not saying that the 7.62 X39 could not hit a target at 1000 but it would be like launching a mortar regarding the angle of the trajectory. Otherwise any consistency in accuracy would be a result of luck at that range!

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