So I just got a CZ P10C about 3 weeks ago. My first gun. Ive got about 600 or 700 rounds thru it so far. obviously i've had to learn from scratch so i've been learning from youtube vids. Been watching vids from carrytrainer, Rob Vogel, Mike Glover etc.
Overall its going well but there is one major issue I am having and several smaller issues which I think are related:
1) My left hand will simply NOT stay in place. Essentially every time I shoot, the recoil will make the left hand shift substantially. (shooting 115 and 124 grain ammo like federal, red army standard, blazer etc)
So that in itself is a major problem. But there are other issues that might help us troubleshoot the root issue.
2) my slide rarely locks back when I shoot the last bullet. At first I thought I was probably "riding the slide stop" from trying to get my left hand high up on the gun etc, but today I tried some right hand only shots and the slide would still not lock back. I tried it several times by chambering a round and then putting an empty mag in and it would pretty consistently not lock back.
So that makes me think part of my left hand issues might be caused by the right hand sort of "limp wristing"...even though of course I am trying to lock the wrists firmly etc
3) accuracy issues. well my first day on the range of course I sort of had the low-left syndrome going. But now im pretty consistently missing a bit high left. My accuracy is getting better and today I finally shot a full magazine into one of the 4ish" diamonds on one of those rifle siting targets from about 8 yds
A bit about me. Im a 53 yr old male and I grew up doing all the athletic sports stuff. Also I have lifted weights on and off for many years. Though I didnt do much physical exercise stuff in my 40s (lol) I have been back lifting weights solid for over a year now.
My grip has never been that strong and ive almost always used straps in the gym on back day etc.
So what does it sound like to you guys? Is this just a normal newb thing where the hands just have to get coordinated to this exact skill etc??
Though my grip strength has never been my strongest point, I find it hard to believe that basic grip strength is my issue. I see female pros shooting great and they weigh like 150. I find it hard to believe that they have some sort of superhuman strength developed (but I may be wrong lol). Hard to believe that a 215lb guy who lifts weights isnt strong enough to shoot a 9mm without the left hand almost flying off the gun
Could it be more stance and alignment related? for instance at first i was just doing what seemed natural and it ended up being sort of a Weaver thing with the rt arm straighter and left arm more bent. Im rt eye dominant. I am thinking perhaps this is why I was/am missing to the left more....that perhaps having the gun more on the rt side of my body and using that dominant rt eye is giving me too much of a sideways angle across the target
I am thinking that the Weaver type setup gives the rt hand and arm some nice straight angles but then the left hand is sort of disadvantaged
So today I started trying to use a more isosceles setup a little more like Bob Vogel. It did seem to help my accuracy though my left hand still moved around a lot.
So what to do??? this is pissing me off lol.
I am attempting to grip like a see in the Vogel vids or Lenny McGill and Carry Trainer vids etc. I have the rt hand as high as possible up under the "beavertail" area. I have tried gripping harder, I have tried torquing the left arm clockwise, I have tried sort of squeezing the arms together using chest strength etc. So far the left hand just moves all over the place.
Could it be that I am OVERgripping it? or are my hands simply not strong enough yet? perhaps my arms and body are strong enough to really resist the recoil but then the hands and maybe wrists are the weak point??
I find it hard to believe that all good shooters have brute hand strength though. Is it more of just a coordination thing that takes a few thousand more rounds??
Thanks for any help
Overall its going well but there is one major issue I am having and several smaller issues which I think are related:
1) My left hand will simply NOT stay in place. Essentially every time I shoot, the recoil will make the left hand shift substantially. (shooting 115 and 124 grain ammo like federal, red army standard, blazer etc)
So that in itself is a major problem. But there are other issues that might help us troubleshoot the root issue.
2) my slide rarely locks back when I shoot the last bullet. At first I thought I was probably "riding the slide stop" from trying to get my left hand high up on the gun etc, but today I tried some right hand only shots and the slide would still not lock back. I tried it several times by chambering a round and then putting an empty mag in and it would pretty consistently not lock back.
So that makes me think part of my left hand issues might be caused by the right hand sort of "limp wristing"...even though of course I am trying to lock the wrists firmly etc
3) accuracy issues. well my first day on the range of course I sort of had the low-left syndrome going. But now im pretty consistently missing a bit high left. My accuracy is getting better and today I finally shot a full magazine into one of the 4ish" diamonds on one of those rifle siting targets from about 8 yds
A bit about me. Im a 53 yr old male and I grew up doing all the athletic sports stuff. Also I have lifted weights on and off for many years. Though I didnt do much physical exercise stuff in my 40s (lol) I have been back lifting weights solid for over a year now.
My grip has never been that strong and ive almost always used straps in the gym on back day etc.
So what does it sound like to you guys? Is this just a normal newb thing where the hands just have to get coordinated to this exact skill etc??
Though my grip strength has never been my strongest point, I find it hard to believe that basic grip strength is my issue. I see female pros shooting great and they weigh like 150. I find it hard to believe that they have some sort of superhuman strength developed (but I may be wrong lol). Hard to believe that a 215lb guy who lifts weights isnt strong enough to shoot a 9mm without the left hand almost flying off the gun
Could it be more stance and alignment related? for instance at first i was just doing what seemed natural and it ended up being sort of a Weaver thing with the rt arm straighter and left arm more bent. Im rt eye dominant. I am thinking perhaps this is why I was/am missing to the left more....that perhaps having the gun more on the rt side of my body and using that dominant rt eye is giving me too much of a sideways angle across the target
I am thinking that the Weaver type setup gives the rt hand and arm some nice straight angles but then the left hand is sort of disadvantaged
So today I started trying to use a more isosceles setup a little more like Bob Vogel. It did seem to help my accuracy though my left hand still moved around a lot.
So what to do??? this is pissing me off lol.
I am attempting to grip like a see in the Vogel vids or Lenny McGill and Carry Trainer vids etc. I have the rt hand as high as possible up under the "beavertail" area. I have tried gripping harder, I have tried torquing the left arm clockwise, I have tried sort of squeezing the arms together using chest strength etc. So far the left hand just moves all over the place.
Could it be that I am OVERgripping it? or are my hands simply not strong enough yet? perhaps my arms and body are strong enough to really resist the recoil but then the hands and maybe wrists are the weak point??
I find it hard to believe that all good shooters have brute hand strength though. Is it more of just a coordination thing that takes a few thousand more rounds??
Thanks for any help