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9mm all steel framed double stacked striker fired pistol

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#1 ·
Is anyone aware of a 9mm all steel framed double stacked striker fired pistol that might be on the market today, besides the Hudson H9?

I was honestly considering the H9 but I can’t seem to justify the $1,100 price tag, which I’m sure is due to other features that I don’t really care to have. For one thing I don’t need a 1911 trigger because I already own a 1911. Also, I don’t see the point in having a lowered guide rod and bore axis on a 9mm considering how that particular caliber already has low recoil to begin with.

I understand that polymer framed pistols are considered “better” for carry because that material is lighter. However, there are plenty of people who carry CZ-75Bs and Hi Powers as their main EDC. Does anyone else find it odd that there are plenty of HAMMER fired 9mm pistols, that have double stacked magazines and all steel frames, but hardly any STRIKER fired pistols that share the same features?
 
#2 ·
Expense is probably the driving factor. Hudson, developing and manufacturing a pistol
Of this type and trying to find a market that wants to buy it may be difficult. Selling fewer at a higher production cost gets passed to the consumer. Harder to get traction at a higher price with a product with no track record.

You even see more hammer fired pistols coming out in polymer frames to be competitive in cost. (CZ P07 and P09, Phantom,for example).

Why not hammer fired? Or why not polymer?

I understand if it is purely preference, some folks just want what they want.
 
#3 ·
I agree about the track record of Hudson.... or lack there of. That’s why I’m very hesitant spending the $1,100 for the unproven pistol. But I already own polymer striker fired pistols and steel framed hammer fired pistols. I guess I was looking for something different but if Hudson is the only one available that has such features then I will have to pass for now. I know Hudson has a number of special investors backing their design, who Hudson refuses to disclose on. I just have this feeling that one day Hudson will go under and another company, like Smith & Wesson, will reveal itself to be that secret investor before reselling what we now know as the H9 under their banner. I will probably want to wait a few years before I give Hudson a chance.
 
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Not trying to discourage the production or procuring of a pistol, as you described, but The questions I raised are ones I think most potential buyers will ask, which tends to work against such a pistol.

But there was the HK p7m13. But it also included the squeeze cocker which made them a bit over complicated. They weren’t exactly cheap when new, and seem to fetch higher prices now.
 
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The Sig P365 is a good pistol and I was fortunate to be able to hold it at my local dealer. Sadly it just was not for me and what I’m looking for.
I have an alloy Ruger lightweight SR1911 that
Is anyone aware of a 9mm all steel framed double stacked striker fired pistol that might be on the market today, besides the Hudson H9?

I was honestly considering the H9 but I can’t seem to justify the $1,100 price tag, which I’m sure is due to other features that I don’t really care to have. For one thing I don’t need a 1911 trigger because I already own a 1911. Also, I don’t see the point in having a lowered guide rod and bore axis on a 9mm considering how that particular caliber already has low recoil to begin with.

I understand that polymer framed pistols are considered “better” for carry because that material is lighter. However, there are plenty of people who carry CZ-75Bs and Hi Powers as their main EDC. Does anyone else find it odd that there are plenty of HAMMER fired 9mm pistols, that have double stacked magazines and all steel frames, but hardly any STRIKER fired pistols that share the same features?
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I actually own a CZ-75 clone. I really like it despite not being able to take it to the range yet. I was just looking for something steal framed in the striker fired platform. I guess it’s Hudson H9 or bust on that but Hudson is a brand new company that hasn’t built up enough credibility and the H9 is super expensive
 
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Is anyone aware of a 9mm all steel framed double stacked striker fired pistol that might be on the market today, besides the Hudson H9?

I was honestly considering the H9 but I can’t seem to justify the $1,100 price tag, which I’m sure is due to other features that I don’t really care to have. For one thing I don’t need a 1911 trigger because I already own a 1911. Also, I don’t see the point in having a lowered guide rod and bore axis on a 9mm considering how that particular caliber already has low recoil to begin with.

I understand that polymer framed pistols are considered “better” for carry because that material is lighter. However, there are plenty of people who carry CZ-75Bs and Hi Powers as their main EDC. Does anyone else find it odd that there are plenty of HAMMER fired 9mm pistols, that have double stacked magazines and all steel frames, but hardly any STRIKER fired pistols that share the same features?
How about the mother of all striker fired pistols, the HK P7 Series.
The system of the HK P7 is basicly a striker fire, with the difference, that you fully cock the system with the grip. And it is all steel.

The P7 ist super for EDC and evry accurate. But also very pricy and not produced anymore
 
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I don't get the "need" for your "ask", unless you just have a "thing" for steel. If that's the case, I understand. I like big steel frame Colt revolvers, but that's just a personal fetish and not a good reason to use one for self defense or to fret over modern technology failing me when I need it most. In the 1950's and 1960's, the craftsmanship was incredible, but the materials, machining, and heat treatment science was laughable compared to what exists today.

To begin with, no metal frame pistol I'm aware of that costs less than several thousand dollars will ever have the longevity of a high quality polymer frame in realistic or even moderately abusive use cases. It's just how things are made. Metal frames are notorious for cracking and corroding because there's a lot of ways to screw up the machining, fitment of parts, and heat treatment processes and only one way to get it right. It can be done for a pretty penny, but we don't live in an era where a master craftsman can inexpensively hand fit every last part to a pistol to make sure all contact surfaces are perfectly dimensioned. That era ended decades ago.

If you want more mass on your polymer frame pistol for less muzzle flip, then just add a SureFire X300 weapon light or something with similar weight. Instead of just having a chunk of metal for sake of having metal, you now have a highly reliable white light to positively identify things in the dark. It stabilizes the gun and makes follow-up shots faster because it prevents the sights from completely leaving the target under recoil.

It's never a bad idea to have two of anything you're betting your life on, but I honestly don't believe the first one will fail unless you make a habit of tossing it off of multi-story buildings or shooting reloads through it. The things that tend to fail in spring-driven polymer frame firearms are the springs themselves and small metal parts that require precise machining and heat treatment processes, like the extractors and firing pins. The frame will outlast the metal components attached to it.
 
#24 ·
I do agree, but not 100%.

Yes metal frames crack, so do polymer frames. I have seen Glock`s with cracked frames, just as 1911s, Sigs and Colt Python and Smith & Wesson revolvers.
Sig offers replacement frames for the P320 Series, that are not categorized as firearm relevant parts and therfor don`t need a serial number.

Any firearm can break. Rales can shere off, frames can tear or crack, etc.

But yes, the quality you get today in a polymer framed pistol is very high and the material very durable and that is one of the reasons most brands produce them and specially Law Enforcement and Military take them as duty side arms.
 
#25 ·
If you are insisting on steel frame what is wrong with a hammer and the nicer trigger pull on a follow up shot?
It's not about concealability if you are enamored with the Hud' as it is a bigun.

But if you are coveting the Hudson, that is the reason to buy it. Let guns be personal, let them make your heart race. I enjoy the thrill of just holding the gun as they are being cleaned, inspected. It is as close as I get anymore to the feeling we got as kids on those good Christmas days, when Santa could afford to buy us that special gift.
Don't worry about buyers remorse, if you can afford the weapon, buy it. If not, wait 'til you can.
 
#26 ·
I actually already own a CZ-75B clone with an all steel frame. I love it! But I prefer the sleek design of a striker. For me strikers are the best to carry concealed. As for the money.... saving money is just as important as buying a high quality pistol. I don’t believe in the concept that the more expensive your gun is the more reliable it is. I have had more luck with my more affordable Rugers than I have ever had with Glocks. Don’t get me wrong... Glock makes a good pistol. Everyone’s experience is different. It’s just that for me Rugers have never failed me. So I believe someone can make a more affordable all steel double stack 9mm striker that doesn’t empty your savings account like Hudson does. I get what you are saying though. I must admit that I nearly cried tears of joy when I was finally able to handle the Hudson at my local dealer. It was a wonderful experience! But there has to be a more affordable option.
 
#29 ·
kdog,

I meant to suggest that for self defense you should just get a tool that does what you need it to do and not get emotionally invested in how pretty it looks, what it's made from, who made it, etc. If this is just something that the OP wants because of his personal preferences, I get that, but he'll either have to pony up the cash for what's available or move on. I just like the fact that today there are so many high quality, durable, and reliable pistols that almost anyone can find what they're looking for.
 
#30 ·
Well honestly this has less to do with wants and looks and more of ensuring what I have last the rest of my life. I prefer not to have a large collection of guns but I want to make sure what I have lasts me. Polymer framed pistols are obviously the best for carry but hypocritically 20 years down the road if those polymer framed pistols get damaged, and I can’t get them replaced because of some weird government legislation for example, I would like to have all steel framed pistols as a back up. It may sound weird but I think about stuff like that. I just want to be prepared
 
#32 ·
Striker9Mil,

If that's the case, then you'll want to ensure that never happens by directly lobbying or investing money in a third party that lobbies state and federal governments on your behalf. I don't foresee any legislation in the immediate future, but wonders never cease. Every time Democrats attempt to pass such legislation, they get voted out of office in substantial numbers.

Some sort of stainless steel 1911 should be fine for the intended purpose and those are available in single or double stack. For the price of a reliable double stack 1911, you can purchase at least two Glocks or M&P's. Even so, spare parts are a must for anyone who shoots on a routine basis.

I've yet to experience a Glock fail in any serious way, but all machines can and will fail and failures seem to occur at the worst possible times. Stay on top of routine maintenance, like replacement of springs / firing pins / extractors / etc, and most well-built firearms will last a lifetime.
 
#34 ·
You make a good point about how our society seems to support guns these days. I remember back in the 80s and 90s the majority of people only seemed to recognize the 2nd amendment for hunting purposes, which I’m sure is the only reason how the 1994 “assault weapons” ban was passed. Obviously, crime rose under this ban, which caused American citizens to start recognizing the 2nd amendment’s true purpose. Thankfully, there was an expiration date on this ban!

Under the first several years of Obama’s presidency, the Democrats had control of Congress and the White House. Despite this they continuously failed to pass gun control measures. Obviously, I don’t take any chances but I sometimes wonder if our fears of future “assault weapons” bans are warranted if the wrong team returns to power. Even though Obama’s administration didn’t want this more states began making it easier for their citizens to acquire CCW permits. So you are right! I think passing such anti gun laws would end the careers of most politicians that support such measures.

I think it really depends on where the Supreme Court stands politically even though they are not suppose to be political LOL! If things stay the way they are now then I’m sure states, like Maryland, New York, California and New Jersey, will be forced to change their ways. The right to carry on the federal level is most likely inevitable. It’s just a question of “when” really.
 
#35 ·
Striker9Mil,

The AWB had no actual effect on criminal activities or firearms deaths, which is why it hasn't returned. The vast overwhelming majority of Americans killed with firearms are killed with handguns that the AWB legislation would not have prevented or even materially affected.

We mostly get meaningless ideology from politicians and political partisans until it's blatantly obvious that their ideology has no bearing on the real world and/or public opinion turns against them. From there, we simply get information-based (lobbying and/or bribery) or political campaign contribution-based (plain old bribery) legislation. Various studies have shown that only bribery affects legislative decisions in America. These days, both Congress and SCOTUS don't do much that makes a lot of sense to me and I'll leave it at that.
 
#36 ·
I agree! Obviously I’m against banning any type of firearm. However, the one aspect of the assault weapons ban that makes no sense to me is the magazine capacity limits. I just don’t understand it because even with the 10 round limits magazines can quickly be swapped out in a short timely manner. Even revolvers can be quickly reloaded through the use of speed loaders and practice/training. The people making these laws have no understanding of the firearms industry.
 
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#42 ·
Moist newer model are doing away with metal frames. The newest generations of polymer make metal unnecessary.

I look for most big magnum revolvers to be polymer framed within 10 years.
 
#43 ·
The one problem I see with poly is that it is so difficult to recycle as a favored heirloom.
 
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#44 ·
Maybe I am looking through rose colored glasses, but I consider some of the modular guns to be steel. The Honor Defense Honor Guard for example. The only plastic on it is the grip frame, which can be changed out at will with no tools required. Not much different than changing the grip panels on your 1911. Everything else is steel, even the slide backplate! Well, the magazine bumpers are plastic.

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#45 ·
Seems to me, polymer guns drop in value, S&W Shield 1.0.. you are able to get them for half price now... Then you take an all steel, like CZ 75 they even are creeping up...... As for a polymer framed magnum revolver, I'm not sure that would work, maybe polymer coated like the Taurus Poly protector
 
#56 ·
Feel is subjective. But as I stated, I don’t worry too much about the polymers that major manufacturers use. I got my first Glock sometime after, Chuck Taylor had tortured his Glock 17 for well over 100,000 rounds, but before he wrote his 300,000 round update.

My complaint about polymer frames (and I don’t think I’m alone) is that they can feel slick, and in high humidity, moisture, or other slick conditions they can be hard to establish a positive grip, as they come from the factory. My carry pistols tend to get stippled or may get a textured grip cover, like Talon Grip.

But a Steel framed Striker fired pistol can give an option to those in the devoted anti polymer segment an option to use a striker fired platform.

I like the weight reduction of polymer, for carry along with the decreased concern about rust or finish wear with the parts of the pistol that contact my skin, most.

I think the Walther Q5 steel frame for competition will have a larger appeal to the competitors, who want the added weight, for recoil mitigation, where, 0.1, 0.01 time splits become an obsession.
 
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