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#1 ·
Ferndale MI is having one this weekend. They are offering (IRC) $50 (check), and this is NOT a no questions asked buy back.

Looks like a fairly large group of 2A citizens are turning out to compete against the police dept and make larger offers of CASH to purchase the firearms. They are always interesting, and the police will huff and puff, and in the end not do a thing.

I'd love to make one of these events, but they always seem to occur on weekends we already have stuff scheduled for.

Side note, I wonder if the police have a financial fiduciary responsibility to sell the firearms on the open market? After all, they are using taxpayer money to collect assets, those assets can't be just disposed of :)
 
#3 ·
People that generally show up for the cash are widows that don't realize they have firearms of value, nor know how to dispose of them. I saw in a pile of firearms turned into the police (not buyback), a brand spanking new in the box python. It was heading for destruction... or supposed to anyway. I shed a tear over the possibility of the world losing that beautiful firearm.
 
#5 ·
There was a rumor a year or so ago about a buyback in Central Florida, but allegedly the threat of us private citizens stepping up caused the buyback to be cancelled. Now since Orange County has ended private sales without a background check (until at least a court case) I would not be surprised to see one happen.
 
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Ferndale MI is having one this weekend. They are offering (IRC) $50 (check), and this is NOT a no questions asked buy back.

Looks like a fairly large group of 2A citizens are turning out to compete against the police dept and make larger offers of CASH to purchase the firearms. They are always interesting, and the police will huff and puff, and in the end not do a thing
I'd love to make one of these events, but they always seem to occur on weekends we already have stuff scheduled for.

Side note, I wonder if the police have a financial fiduciary responsibility to sell the firearms on the open market? After all, they are using taxpayer money to collect assets, those assets can't be just disposed of :)
They certainly can destroy weapons bought to get them off the streets, without violating any laws. They figure they sre saving money in the long run.
 
#13 ·
Yes they can, once the government has purchased them they own them. The real questions are;
1.) How would you feel if the government bought new police cars and had them crushed to keep criminals from stealing them?
2.) What about giving property tax money to Arab extremist so the local county won’t misappropriate it.
3.) How many of the turned in guns have been used or will be used to commit a crime?
4.) Have any studies been done to confirm that such buy backs actually reduce the crime rate?

It goes against my 2A beliefs but it is just plain dumb and ineffective as so many of these ideas are.
 
#16 ·
$50.00 That is a travesty when they could probably take them to their local gun shops or call a friend who would definitely give them more than $50.00. Unless as mentioned the gun was junk. But even junk guns can have value by rare parts salvaged from them for sale. Or probably a lot of them need some drug money or dumping a stolen gun or one used in a crime. What a great opportunity for a criminal or an addict! Of course, their gun their choice!

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Tell me just how the government buying guns from willing sellers affects your rights. It offends your sensibilities, but not your rights. It bothers me when the local police buy, operate and maintain armored personnel carriers but I don't claim that it violates my rights. With a willing buyer, willing seller, there is no harm, no foul. By your line of reasoning, when the law confiscates drugs on the street, they should then sell them back on the streets to save your tax dollars. It would make for good fiscal sense but horrible policing.

If I buy a gun and demill it, do you think that deprives you of your rights to gun ownership?

If I buy a hundred guns from a hundred willing sellers and drop them into the ocean, it is absolutely none of your business, and it does not violate your rights or deprive you from gun ownership. Remember that it is not only your tax dollars at work, and if the citizenry objects strongly enough the practice would stop. Apparently enough people approve to continue the buy backs programs.

To maintain that gun buybacks are a violation of the second amendment, as a legal principal, is ridiculous. (does that sound better than doltish?)

I am called personally called, and on a frequent basis, communist, socialist, snowflake, libratard and worse. It does not affect either my sensibilities or that of the moderators. I make a comment about my opinion of a group of people sounding like Gomer Pyle, shouting "Citizens Arrest, Citizens Arrest" (substitute second amendment) and it hurts your feelings? Grow up.
 
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Chainfire, in your first paragraph you are confusing what you do with your money and what the government is doing with tax money of which I am paying. I don’t want my tax dollars to go to buying material that will not benefit me or my community. I pay taxes for services, not have my tax money wasted on some pet project that is not specified for what the tax money is to go for. In my county as in most it is clearly defined what the money is supposed to go to before the tax was established or why the taxes were increased.

In your second and third paragraph I agree with you that you can do what you want with your personal money. It’s none of my business. I may think you are throwing your money away, etc but that’s your decision. It’s not my tax dollars so I don’t care.

Your fourth paragraph is where we differ. If my tax dollars, which were designated to go to public maintenance works and education are being wasted on Gun Buy Backs I have a problem with that because they are using my tax dollars in a wasteful way that is in conflict with what the purpose of the taxes were when the community voted for the tax. This is like going to a garage to get your car fixed and the mechanics using your deposit to buy beer with instead of parts. As far as the second amendment it affects it by establishing a president to misuse tax moneys for social programs that clearly speak against 2A rights.

Lastly based on your philosophies and attitudes I can see why others may think you are a communist, socialist, snowflake, *******, etc. I don’t want to call you any of those things and expect the same consideration from you. Your comment about “grow up” is not relevant. Grown ups don’t call people names, that is childish and if I’m not mistaken against the Forum rules. By the way, I’m 62 so well past grown up, I’m reasonably well educated with microbiology and chemistry degrees and scored in the top 5% on SAT tests so I may not be near as stupid or ignorant as you think.

Lastly, if you feel as you do I wonder why you even bother to participate in this Forum unless it’s to stir up confrontations and undermine the general idea of enjoying guns and shooting sports without being harrassed or threatened with having my personal property taken away.

This is my last reply to you on this thread.
 
#19 ·
The last time I checked, we elect or hire people to decide how our tax money is spent. The School Board or the Police Department has never asked for my input on their projects. If I thought they were doing a lousy job, I would be at the public meetings raising the issue. If I thought that their actions were unethical, immoral or illegal, I would be talking to the state's attorney. I wouldn't be making untrue claims about the illegality of the issues on public forums. It plays well to the cheering section, but false claims do us more harm than good.

You must have me confused with someone else about threatening to take your property.

I participate on this forum because I am a passionate gun collector, trainer, and shooter. There are participants on this site that are highly intelligent, witty and are fun to dissect issues with. You don't learn anything unless you go outside your group. I have a problem when people make false claims and present silly arguments because presents us all in a bad light. People outside of the gun community read these forums and they use false claims and weak arguments against us. They present us as nuts and sometimes they are correct.
 
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#20 ·
Do you protest when the local government pays the cost of programs to dispose of household hazardous waste? Those programs aren't free of cost to the taxpayer. We give our elected and appointed officials a lot of latitude to spend funds as they think benefit the community. Most of the first part of your argument is ridiculous, and you must know it.

As to the second part, What does the right to keep and bear arms have to do with the issue? The owners are voluntarily disposing weapons they don't want or need. The second amendment doesn't require people to own firearms. The buyback gives some people an easy and legal way to get rid of the firearms they don't want in their homes. There could be many legitimate reasons for not wanting the guns in the house. There is no 2A issue and nothing sinister about gun buy back programs.

Presenting passionate weak and unreasoned arguments, in public places, that you think favors the second amendment only makes all gun owners look like unthinking dolts. It doesn't help our cause.
When the local government picks up hazardous waste the cost to dispose it is negotiated between the waste management co and the county govt. if the county govt. comes out upside down they will raise taxes.

Who would argue paragraph 2. I think we all just don’t like that a valuable or collectible gun is going to just be destroyed. If the owner chooses to give the firearm up for $50, oh well, it is theirs to do so.
 
#21 ·
I wish they would have a buy back here.
I have three old broken guns that are not worth repairing, and a good buy back would get me some more ammo for the ones that DO work!
Same here. A not-old, but totally unreliable Charter Arms that should never be in anyone else's hands, and should be destroyed, in my possession. Until such buy-back, it sits gathering dust.
 
#22 ·
Of course you are right. It would break my heart to see a collectable firearm crushed, but I can't own them all, and I can't control property I don't own. The business is between the buyer and seller. In any case it is not a 2A issue.
 
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The last time I checked, we elect or hire people to decide how our tax money is spent. The School Board or the Police Department has never asked for my input on their projects. If I thought they were doing a lousy job, I would be at the public meetings raising the issue. If I thought that their actions were unethical, immoral or illegal, I would be talking to the state's attorney. I wouldn't be making untrue claims about the illegality of the issues on public forums. It plays well to the cheering section, but false claims do us more harm than good.
Well, there's probably a very GOOD reason for that. :rolleyes: Most likely, you are represented by a County Board Supervisor from your voting district. You may not vote, but those who actually do, elected that official to represent your county district. If that supervisor is on the LEO Committee, he votes for your district as to what the LEO departments budgets contain at the County Board meetings. How many of those do you actually go to?
 
#24 ·
Let me tell you about "buy backs."
Usually, guns are not NCIC checked to see if they are stolen- so if YOUR stolen gun is turned in, there is no chance you will get it back. This makes the governing agency complicit in theft.
They never owned the guns, so they can't buy them back.
Participating in these things gives the anti gunners the impression that they are actually doing some good.
Any guns that you own can be parted out-usually for more than $50. The Charter Arms mentioned above has a lifetime warranty-why not send it to the factory and get a working gun?
Never, ever participate in a "gun buy back!" Don't be stupid!
Put the parts up for sale here.
 
#26 ·
they have a legal fiduciary duty to protect the taxpayers money.

Buying assets {firearms} and then destroying now city property is a crime. The car example was spot on. Capital financial controls is an important part of the budgetary process. My city's chief was "retired" for violating capital controls. He didn't do anything illegal, just violated city policy.
When you make statements that an action is "illegal", be prepared to back up you statement. Gun buy-backs have been going on for decades. Can you provide us with instances where the Chiefs of Sheriffs have been prosecuted as criminals for what you consider a crime? Government agencies surplus, give away, trade, sell and destroy property every . Otherwise the country would be full of warehouses of obsolete junk. Just because you disagree with the policy doesn't make it a crime.

I was a rather low level government administrator, and I threw good stuff in the dumpster on a regular basis. If we couldn't use it, didn't intend to ever use it, had no place to store it and our "surplus" division didn't want it, we tossed it. When our offices moved from one place to another I surplused and tossed tons of junk that had been accumulating, on my own authority. I was favorably recognized for my hard work of flushing the junk toilet.

Police executives are also endowed with policy making decisions, and that is why the make the big bucks. We are paying for their experience and judgement. If the locals think the cops are throwing their money away with gun buy-backs, they can dump the offender. So far, I have not heard of a single example of that.

Personally, I would rather a Chief or Sheriff pay for a gun buy-back than to be buying and maintaining military vehicles and weapons, and paying for military style training for his officers. We are the people they are supposed to protect and defend, not an enemy to be constantly under the threat of a military response to a domestic problem. I feel safer on the street with one less Jennings on the streets on Saturday night, I do not feel safer with one more APC with a bunch of trigger happy soldier wanna bes waiting for a chance to show their stuff....
 
#25 ·
The last time I checked, we elect or hire people to decide how our tax money is spent. The School Board or the Police Department has never asked for my input on their projects.
they have a legal fiduciary duty to protect the taxpayers money.

Buying assets {firearms} and then destroying now city property is a crime. The car example was spot on. Capital financial controls is an important part of the budgetary process. My city's chief was "retired" for violating capital controls. He didn't do anything illegal, just violated city policy.
 
#27 ·
When Australia back in 1996 had a govt. funded buy back to the tune of $5 hundred million to try and get a reduction in the number of guns in the common muckery's hands in an attempt to be seen to be doing something about gun related deaths there was a lot of old guns handed in that were basically no good even as spares and these got crushed but the owners got in some cases very good money for these deadly weapons of mass destruction(read old .22's and shotguns etc that were unserviceable) and then went out and bought more guns which was a big slap in the face to the idiots in govt. as there's now more guns in the hands of legal gun owners than there was back in 1996............********s!
 
#32 ·
Now ths


Now that's funny.

As to close to Cleveland, about an hour or so. Next time I hear about one on this end, or over there, we'll have to set up a meet. If nothing else, it's fun to watch the looks on some members of LE's faces, when they figure out what you are up to, and that it's perfectly legal. :D
 
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