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Proposed Bill in Congress

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#3 ·
But, but, what about "FULLY Semiautomatic Assault Weapons"?

WTF is a "Semiautomatic Assault Weapon"? Have these guys been watching
The Onion for too long, or are they just willing to admit to the country that they
know this little about guns?

If they had a clue what they were doing, in the first place, all these proposed
gun control laws would be unnecessary.
 
#7 ·
Trump called for it.
And no due process etc etc. Heard him myself in plain English.

If it hit his desk he would gleefully sign it because it's a big part of what he himself called for a week ago.

Congress critters on the GOP side would like to stay elected and not join Trump leaving Washington next election over this.
So. Congress isn't voting on gun control.
 
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I have one thing to sat to Democrat Cicilline and his Democratic conspirators! Good Luck getting that done!
It is not going to happen with Trump!
 
#15 ·
Sorry but I really do know how the system works very well.

Been involved pretty deep in it for a number of years.

I know some trump voters can't accept the fact they were fooled that badly by him.

But we were. He's as anti gun at his core as he was as a pro gun control democrat.

No he's not my friend .
The congress man from Utah, Rand Paul, Thomas Massie, that blocked the fast track for fix nics, and the congress men that consistently refuse to vote for any gun control are my friends.

Trump is a wolf in sheep's clothing where guns are concerned. Proven by his own mouth and lack of keeping the pro gun promises he made to get elected.
 
#21 ·
Hysteria sometimes blocks the voice of reason.

"Day One" was a figure of speech.

How many people other than Ghost really believed Trump was going to sit down at his new desk in the Oval Office immediately after the swearing-in ceremony and write an order nullifying GFZ?? :)



Nuance! There is no nuance with the written page. You have to listen to the speaker.

ellis
I figured somewhere in that pile of EOs signed right after the GFZ order would be.

It wasn't.

It still isn't.

It wont be as long as he's Pres.

We are WAY past day one.
 
#22 ·
Gentlemen :
There is little to be gained by debating whether Trump is just shoots his mouth off or means what he says . The facts are plain : No concealed carry reciprocity , public endorsement of more gun laws . With all this smoke, we should run for a fire extinguisher.
The best defense is a darned good offense . We should start by seriously punishing Dick's Sporting Goods .
Battle Plan Against Dick’s Spotting Goods :
  1. Propaganda : Reprint the CEO letter in its entirety and highlight the most offensive law recommendations . Distribute our letter with it .
  2. Cut their supply lines . Ask gun makers and other companies to stop selling to Dick’s .
3) Demoralize their troops . Visit and say Goodbye to staff .

4) Attack alliances . Ask Cabela’s to give companies a choice : Do business with Dick’s or Cabela’s .

5) Psy-ops : Drive a wedge . Incite the anti-gunners to demand that Dick’s stop selling all guns because all guns can be used in massacres .

6) Starve them out . Discourage everyone from shopping at Dick’s .

"Gun control ' is a " wedgie issue " . It makes business cowards and politicians very uncomfortable .
 
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Trump called for it.
And no due process etc etc. Heard him myself in plain English.
i dabble in conspiracy theory, not much of a believer.

http://time.com/5180537/gun-control-donald-trump-meeting/

gun sales are HURTING, and always tank when people feel "safe". the democrats, inadvertently, are the best gun sellers on the planet.

one local gun store i frequented....the owner has a "thanks, president obama" plaque on his desk...last time i went in the store was the first time in years it wasn't PACKED. he said sales are the lowest in a decade.

the gun industry is likely very thankful for trump's mention of "gun control." probably good for a 5-10% spike in gun sale short term.
 
#24 ·
with some people, the mere whisper of the words gun control, restrictions, or bans, and they go into full panic mode!

it doesn't matter who sits in the White House, or which party has a majority in the Senate or the House, we do need to be vigilant of our gun rights. but going off half-cocked, (yes, pun intended!) and not thinking or using some common sense, at the mere mention of certain words, and going off in the panic mode serves no use for anyone.
 
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I wouldn't trust TIME Magazine if they reported that rounds had powder in them . Anonymous sources claiming the NRA is cynically encouraging talk of ' gun control ' behind the scenes ? I'd have to hear it from multiple made-up sources before I'd believe it .

For the most part, gun guys didn't " panic " under Obama's regime ; They prudently stocked up .
Before Obama was known to exist, the papers were reporting that the gun market was saturated . They said guns last forever and that white males ( the biggest buyers ) had all the guns they needed & that attempts to market to women had largely failed .
 
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i don't disagree. but could i consider that such a scenario is possible? absolutely. and it would explain a bit of the "flip flop" in the situation. talk gun control, worry people a bit, watch sales rise....little or no gun control truly considered. as said, do i believe its true? no evidence. it it conceivable? yup.

the part in bold, are you serious?...well it must have been completely different where you live? o_O for the better part of 2 years....i saw virtually empty gun racks and ammo shelves, $90-100 pmags and people paying $80-90 for a brick of 22? yeah....no panic here, move along.

fear and panic of gun control MOVES guns and ammo. not even worth arguing that point. the facts are there to plainly see.

I wouldn't trust TIME Magazine if they reported that rounds had powder in them . Anonymous sources claiming the NRA is cynically encouraging talk of ' gun control ' behind the scenes ? I'd have to hear it from multiple made-up sources before I'd believe it .

For the most part, gun guys didn't " panic " under Obama's regime ; They prudently stocked up .

Before Obama was known to exist, the papers were reporting that the gun market was saturated . They said guns last forever and that white males ( the biggest buyers ) had all the guns they needed & that attempts to market to women had largely failed .
 
#31 ·
OK. However the Trump Savior spin works for us.

But a huge number of folks voted no to Hillary.Trump just happened to be all that was left.

He's proven out of his own mouth he's anti 2A anti gun. Less than a week ago.

Or he's a bigger liar than Obama.

Either way myself and a lot of others ain't buying the "he has me right where they want us " spin.
And aint gonna be talked into voting for him again.
Who are going to vote for than????:rolleyes: Or are you just not
going to vote??? I was not pleased with our choices, but Trump has done a good job, considering the up hill battle he has fought with BOTH the D's and R's, so far. ;)
 
#32 ·
I was talked into voting for Trump with a vote for a third party is a vote for Hillary blah blah blah.

Youve heard the tune I'm sure.

I'm an independent. Assuming there is a independent, libertarian, constitution party candidate then I'll vote for one of them if they are strictly pro gun.

Or if Cruz or Paul, preferably Paul ,one of them.

But I will not support anyone who calls for any restrictions on gun ownership. Period.

We will be stuck with a 2 party system forever if nobody ever votes for third party candidates.

Don't worry though. The way our election system is set up everyone in KY could stay home and it wouldn't change a presidential election outcome anyway.
 
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the last semi-successful independent candidate for president was Ross Perot in the 1992 election. he got no Electoral votes at all. and under 19% of the popular vote.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1992
True that.

But it'll never change as long as folks only vote based on that assumption.

And we have to break the power structure of the two party control in this nation.
By vote or covention of states. But we can't afford to leave things as they are. JMO
 
#40 ·
I learned my lesson in 92. Hated GHW Bush, so I voted for H. Ross Pee-rot.

Got Klinton. realized that as much as I disliked Bush, he would have been 1000X better than Klinton.

now, I refuse to throw away my vote on some duphus that can't possibly win.
 
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#42 ·
Ross Perot is a good man. He would have made a much better president than either Bush or Clinton.

i was in and out of Walter Reed AH in late 1969-March 1970. At a time when corporate panjandrums cared less about military personnel; Ross Perot had a yacht with full crew berthed on the eastern shore of MD, exclusively for the use of wounded patients of Walter Reed and Bethesda Navy hospitals.

Ross Perot bought new furniture for every day room in Walter Reed AH.
 
#43 ·
Ross Perot is a good man. He would have made a much better president than either Bush or Clinton.

i was in and out of Walter Reed AH in late 1969-March 1970. At a time when corporate panjandrums cared less about military personnel; Ross Perot had a yacht with full crew berthed on the eastern shore of MD, exclusively for the use of wounded patients of Walter Reed and Bethesda Navy hospitals.

Ross Perot bought new furniture for every day room in Walter Reed AH.
I don't question that he was a good man, just that he didn't have any chance of winning, or even coming close.
 
#44 ·
he (Perot) was actually doing fine until he withdrew and then came back. that is when he lost his support.
I still voted for him. I'm SICK of both parties. I did VOTE FOR TRUMP!
there is NOT much difference between all the RINO's and democrats we have.
Look at the so called GOP....they are NOT supporting THEIR President!! azzholes....every da*ned one of the.!
 
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if you look at the link i provided, Perot didn't any of the Electoral votes. so even had he done better in the ratings, had he not dropped out and then came back, i doubt he would have done any better or well enough in the Electoral votes to make any difference.

remember, Hillary did win the popular vote by about 3 million votes, but Trump hurt her in the Electoral votes.

he (Perot) was actually doing fine until he withdrew and then came back. that is when he lost his support.
I still voted for him. I'm SICK of both parties. I did VOTE FOR TRUMP!
there is NOT much difference between all the RINO's and democrats we have.
Look at the so called GOP....they are NOT supporting THEIR President!! azzholes....every da*ned one of the.!

i liked Perot and i did also vote for him.
 
#46 ·
i liked Perot and i did also vote for him.
i would have, but I was about 10 months short of the age requirement when the election took place. My wife did vote for him.

now, both of us voted Republican on the entire ticket in the last one, which included trump, and honestly, id he comes up on the next ticket, i myself, would vote for him again.

Depending on who he's up against, and only if he makes it past the primary. And chances are, I will not vote for him in the primary, as was the case in 2016.

Sometimes the devil you know is a better choice than the ones you don't know.

then again, i registered Republican\Conservative, but I see myself as a Conserveral Republicrat. i am not a single issue voter, and honestly, I have yet to see any options, even with third party candidates, that match how I see the issues, so every time I vote, it's a case of trying to pick up a turd by the clean end.

IMHO, BOTH suides tend to mess up more than they get right.
 
#47 ·
At this point in time if a person goes to the polls and casts a vote for any one other than a D or a R are just plain idiots, and so are all those who go and vote a 'straight ticket'. They are wasting their time to go vote for a third party. It's their RIGHT, but a third party vote is simply a 'protest'! :(
 
#48 ·
nice to see you still have a low opinion of me Jim.

Only reason I voted straight ticket this time was because i agreed with who was on the ticket, well above 95% of their past decisions, and I read the list Before casting said vote.

Here, the only questionable one was Trump, and more than a few of us voted for him because he was a better choice the HRC ever would be.

Especially when we are still dealing with the middle east on a regular basis.
 
#53 ·
i do tend to vote more straight party lines than not. just how things end up being though. but i base my decisions on who i vote for on many different factors and political affiliation of the candidate isn't always the deciding factor.
 
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#57 ·
When the GOP tried to block Trump, they lost my support forever. I WILL support, campaign and vote for the best candidate, but will NEVER give a dime to a party again.
my EXACT sentiments.
when I get an email from the GOP or land mail, that is exactly what I tell them. They DO NOT support our PRESIDENT, so therefore I DO NOT and WILL NOT support the GOP.
 
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