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Trump To Sessions: "Ban Bump Stocks"

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#1 ·
President Trump wants bump stocks banned.

President Trump said Tuesday that he was directing the U.S. Justice Department to ban equipment like the deadly bump stock device that a gunman used to kill 58 people last year at a Las Vegas concert.

“I signed a memorandum directing the attorney general to propose regulations to ban all devices that turn legal weapons into machine guns,” Trump said during a White House ceremony honoring public safety officers.



http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...der-bump-stock-ban-proposal-article-1.3832013
 
#53 ·
Bump stocks will be banned or NFA’d, as they should have been long time ago. It is a stupid toy and an insult to any adult gun enthusiast.

Raise the legal age for buying —maybe. I don’t see why not. Most opponents are three times that old and more.
Then raise the age for entrance into the military as well
 
#51 ·
I didn't read through all of this but there is one thing to mention about Trumps directive to the AG... The ATF cannot 'create' laws. They only enforce the ones that already exist. Therefore, Trumps actions mean nothing. If the ATF does try to reverse itself or create this new law, it will get tied up in the court system for years! The thing is, Trump had to show that he was doing something to defuse a very emotionally charged situation. Personally I do not see bump stocks becoming illegal any time soon...
 
#59 ·
There will be more school shootings. Regardless of bans and regulations.
Armed people who are under attack best stop armed attackers. In fact that is ALL that will stop armed attackers.

Simple as that.
If you were determined to murder people that you went to or go to school with and you knew teachers were armed what would you do. Simply change your place or method of attack, no different to what terrorists do. Would it make any difference if children were killed in school or some wear else they congregate.
 
#62 ·
Well boys welcome to restrictions although on a small scale at least your not getting guns banned or catergorised because of looks like a couple of states here in Australia.
Before you get to cranky with Trump just remember he's got to do something and although this isn't about the actual gun it's more like the mental state of the idiots who do this sort of evil and the arse clowns in the media sensationalising everything to the extent that copy cat killings reported give the turds all the attention they seek.
This latest event shows how much attention is given to a potential mass murderer when he/she has been reported several times to authorities for odd behaviour. This idiot televises his possible intentions on faceache but nobody does a thing and then he goes total stupid and everybody is surprised.
There's a lot more blame to be placed on those who monitor this sort of stuff than on the actual gun but it's easier to blame the gun and legitimate owners than fix the root cause because it's not the way to keep your snout in the public money trough.
 
#64 ·
This latest event shows how much attention is given to a potential mass murderer when he/she has been reported several times to authorities for odd behaviour.
Some would not see that as reason enough to interfere in their 2 amendment rights, nothing short of them actually carrying out a shooting would be reason to remove their firearms rights.
 
#68 ·
YOU see NO REASON for bumps stocks..so they should be illegal???
You see yourself as THAT important?

There was no REASON to have a 427 CI in a 1969 Corvette...but I had one.
Love the hell out of it! :D

Don't have a bump stock. Don't want one. Don't see the need. Also don't believe banning them will save a single life. If bump stocks push a gun owner's joy button, more power to him.

Unfortunately, looks like they are gone. In the grand scheme of things...it won't solve anything. Just one more inanimate object that's illegal to own.

ellis
 
#67 ·
We can be critical of Trump! But if the Dems get back in you can almost surely kiss our AR-15s, AKs, Magazines and other items good by. Remember the previous comments about the majority of the Dems liked the Australian Gun Model. "Confiscation" So I am not at all going to be concerned about making some logical decisions. Or upset about them reclassifying the Bump Stock and other similar items. They are not saying you can't have one but reclassification would group it with the SBR's, Suppressors, and other Class III item requirements. First of all, I would not want one of the pieces of Cr** anyway. I can fire my RRA 2 Stage NM Trigger just a fast or faster than any Bump Stock! But really the focus should also be very much on "Mental Illness" with a confirmed possibility of an individual being a potential threat to themselves or others. I recall when they closed most of the Mental Health Hospitals in Indiana years ago and just dumped them out on the street on their own! Created a real nightmare for other citizens and law enforcement at the time. But protecting our school children, churches and other soft targets should be our No. One Priority. Today a lot of Churches have weapon designated individuals in certain sections of the services. Something logical should be done and done now. Like putting armed vets or retired Law Enforcement Officers in the schools (Ones that will respond and not hide outside!) And also more than just one or two officers in an area of the schools. IMO staying at status quo will surely result in ARs and other rifles to be banned in the near future. Bottom line Cruz as the others should have not been able to buy or even be around guns with a history like them.
We can not afford to let history of this nature repeat itself. Although the potential is out there. So if so, lets meet force with force should it occur! I believe it would in most cases be a deterrent for the cowardly scum bags to know they could be facing a gun on the part of the good guys. I believe that is why most of us carry today. Not using it is a good thing but should we need to do so we have it available!;)

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#69 ·
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We can be critical of Trump! But if the Dems get back in you can almost surely kiss our AR-15s, AKs, Magazines and other items good by...."

Yeah! It's not like "Well, we had the perfect candidate that would have fulfilled ALL our desires and dreams...but we chose Trump! :(

It's "THE OTHER CHOICE WAS HILLARY!!!" Come 2020, Democrats will be loaded for bear to undue the "damage" Trump has done to their vision of the United States. It won't be Hillary but it will be someone just like her or worse!

Best not work up too much angst against Trump. He's doing far more for the country than any other president in recent history. And he's not Hillary!

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#70 ·
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We can be critical of Trump! But if the Dems get back in you can almost surely kiss our AR-15s, AKs, Magazines and other items good by...."

Yeah! It's not like "Well, we had the perfect candidate that would have fulfilled ALL our desires and dreams...but we chose Trump! :(

It's "THE OTHER CHOICE WAS HILLARY!!!" Come 2020, Democrats will be loaded for bear to undue the "damage" Trump has done to their vision of the United States. It won't be Hillary but it will be someone just like her or worse!

Best not work up too much angst against Trump. He's doing far more for the country than any other president in recent history. And he's not Hillary!

ellis
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If Hillary had done as much against guns as Obama did in eight years, it would be less than Trump is proposing now.
 
#71 ·
Your gun rights are like an old oak tree, if it didn't bend in the wind, it would snap. That is exactly why Trump and the NRA are bending before a storm. People should have figured that out already.
 
#75 ·
One Priority. Today a lot of Churches have weapon designated individuals in certain sections of the services. Something logical should be done and done now. Like putting armed vets or retired Law Enforcement Officers in the schools (Ones that will respond and not hide outside!) And also more than just one or two officers in an area of the schools.
And what do you think a determined shooter will do, can't get them at school get then elsewhere. Would a headline mass shooting involving children at on bus, at cinema, at mall, etc be any worse than mass shooting at school. The fact is that you can not stop these type of shootings, while some think its a good idea to carry out mass murders.
 
#76 ·
Agreed. And you will never stop some folks from wanting to do mass shootings.

But you darn sure can remove the restrictions that keep those being attacked in one from stopping the shooter without out dozens being slaughtered while waiting for the "professionals " who will invariably be 20 minutes to late.

Keeping the population disarmed with stupid GFZ 's is guaranteeing a mass shooter has an unopposed pen of sheep to slaughter at will and bluntly put is an insane policy that isn't even constitutional.
 
#78 ·
We have to face it in a world of mentally ill individuals and terrorists running around. Those that would rather violate the law and rules of society and kill or injure people for a cause or for simply satisfaction! In fact, some get a charge out of it. And the decay of some in our society is a major problem today. We are not dealing with the world and majority of Americans as in the past. Here we are! Today Force must be met with Force in the world we live, beside doing all we can to shore up security. Unfortunately, there are some out there right now planning to beat the last records of the mental cases and terrorists who committed the past shooting casualties. And if and when they do they simply and quickly need to be "Taken Out"!
I could not believe the officer or officers in Florida who did not act at all to save the kids.
He had received the Award for being the top School Resource Office of the Year in the past.
Guess they missed that one didn't they.:rolleyes:

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#79 ·
I could not believe the officer or officers in Florida who did not act at all to save the kids.
He had received the Award for being the top School Resource Office of the Year in the past.
Guess they missed that one didn't they
Yes its easy to criticise, i wonder how quick Trump would have being running towards the gun fire. :rolleyes:

Donald Trump slams "coward" police officer who failed to confront Florida shooter during school massacre.
 
#81 ·
i'll criticize him as well Mr. Manta. and i'd stand and call him a coward to his face for what he didn't do in that situation.

the unarmed coach, died protecting his students to the best of his abilities. gave his life to save lives. that man is a real hero. and the armed deputy, stood outside, and did nothing.
 
#85 ·
Wow...I thought all of the Trump haters were on late night television. For those of you with an opinion....let me ask you what you would do if you were president to stop the school shootings. It's easy to arm chair quarterback when what you say or do will never be tested or found out. But the buck stops at his desk. He's the one who the demands are being made on. He's not about to ban guns, that's not an issue. But he's responsible for the safety of the country and responsible for steering legislators in the right direction.
So here's my quiz:
1. You are the president, 17 students murdered in Florida.
What would you do?
2. Night club shooting in Florida, dozens of people shot and murdered.
What would you do?
3. Las Vegas massacre....ridiculous amount of people shot and killed
What would you do?
Don't give me any blanket answers like mentally ill or guards or even gun control.
GIVE ME REAL SUGGESTIONS. That's what Trump has to do...think you can do better?
And if you don't want to vote for him in 2020 that's just fine. Maybe the polling place will have a box to put your gun and your common sense in when you cast that democratic vote.
 
#89 ·
Answer to all questions.
Written over 200 yrs ago by wiser men than exist today.
Abide by the 2 A, as written.
Allow would be victims to be armed. Any public place. Allow them their damn right to have the means to survive these animals attacks without helplessly dieing while 4 armed LEOs hid outside until well after the shooting was over.
That's what. Would be very easy for me to say and extremely easy to for me to veto anything short of that if I was in Trumps place.
 
#92 ·
If it was someone I cared about in the building, either my wife or child, one of their friends, one of my friends, or a member of my extended family, I can PROMISE you that the only way anyone would have stopped me from going in, and engaging the threat, would have been to flat out KILL me.
I was talking police officers in that situation, not individuals protecting their family. I have seen people posting on this forum that police officers in America are not obliged to get into a gun fight to protect others, is that true. ?
 
#93 ·
I was talking police officers in that situation, not individuals protecting their family. I have seen people posting on this forum that police officers in America are not obliged to get into a gun fight to protect others, is that true. ?


I can't speak as a lawyer, but every police officer that I served with ran TOWARD the gunfire, not away from it.
 
#98 ·
In my opinion Manta despite what was mentioned about the Court Ruling. A lot of officers I know would go in! And IMO those who did not respond are cowards and self- centered individuals. Obviously in the wrong profession at the wrong time . I would be interested to see if any of them had ever been in a gun fight during their carrier? Probably Not! But to stand by outside the building when gun fire is going on and children are being slaughtered is ridiculous.:rolleyes:
I must agree that many police officers even being in the profession they chose. May not have the warrior state of mind when it comes to needing it. For example, we had an officer who was involved in a bank robbery incident with us. Shortly afterward the officer asked to go to the DARE Program and then resigned within a year. The reality of the professions hazards of the real World, that the officer could actually die evidently hit!
With the school shooting it proves a point and should be considered by all law enforcement agencies. The officers sent to be School Officers should be those with the right warrior mentality, but at the same time also be professional, kind and understanding being with young people and school officials everyday. They must be those that would act without hesitation and trained to properly respond until additional support arrives. There is no time to be reluctant or wait for backup! When these situations occur it requires immediate response and an aggressive "Search and Destroy" attitude!
Sure being retired LE I was appalled at the lack of action on the part of the officers. And it makes me SICK and ANGRY!
But as one here previously stated. He is living at the present with himself regarding his inaction! And in time I would not be surprised regarding self infliction if you know what I mean?;)

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It looks damning, but I will be interested in hearing his take on his actions.
 
#109 ·
well i'll be honest, my assessments were based on the limited information that was previously provided on the deputy. but after finding this article just recently, and i'll provide it for others to read and draw their own conclusions.

but, it's entirely this may have been a politically motivated agenda, that allowed this to to happen. and if the information in this article are true, then shame of the sheriff's department, and the school district for allowing it just to get more funding. shame on them. if true, they essentially traded these young lives for funding, at the expense of their safety to "cook the books" on the numbers, and allowing criminal actions to go unreported, and ignored. that is corruption and criminal.

now, was the deputy at the school a part of that possible corruption? i would have say it's a possibility for sure, especially when you look back at the timeline of his previous encounters with Nikolas Cruz. could be why, he failed to even engage him, and why he decided to resign as he knew the jig was up and maybe knew that this would end up becoming public knowledge. personally, even if this information is true, i still think he's a coward. that is merely my person opinion, and mine alone. i will allow others to draw their own conclusions as to his behavior and actions during the shooting spree.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/966854507744374784.html
 
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#111 ·
I too believe this so-called guard was a coward. I believe that any armed civilian who would have been in that school would have made a difference. To not even walk into the school is unacceptable. He could have helped kids even if he didn't engage the shooter. There is a lot he could have done....but he did nothing. Of course you fear for your life when there is a shooter. But what did he think his job was when he took it as "security"?
 
#112 ·
After Dallas posted the down low on Broward county sheriff's Sept corruption the actions of the deputies is even less suprizing.

They had spent years looking the other way, on violent crime as well as petty things.
Those violent crime had victims also they didn't help in the past.

As brutish as this sounds once a cop or a dept of cops goes rogue they are more heartless with less conscience than most vilolent criminals.
Having learned what type of dept this was thanks to Dallas post I doubt any of the four officers have a second thought about not helping those kids.
I guarantee they are wholly concerned with saving their own rears and that's it.
Maybe because I learned first hand there are things worse than dieing, but I have no sympathy for any of those four.
They deserve worse than what they will get.
 
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