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Accurizing the Mini-14...the ONLY THING NEEDED

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#1 ·
The Mini-14 suffers from having a super-thin barrel that is flexed upward by pressure from the recoil spring pressing the slide against the piston.

Before firing, the barrel is "flexed up"...but as the bullet passes the gas port the barrel "whips" down with all associated oscillations.

THIS is why the Mini-14 has a reputation for throwing bullets all over the place.

The solution?

Squirt some RTV Silicone Sealant into the cam-groove of the operating slide...where it presses up against the bolt's cam lug...BEHIND it. What this does is shift all pressure from the barrel piston to the bolt cam lug. NOW the barrel is completely untensioned before and after the bullet passes the gas port. PLUS, the pressure of the RTV Sealant insures maximum bolt locking force prior to the shot.

The result? Your groups will suddenly shrink without an expensive barrel replacement solution.
 
#106 ·
I have 2 AR's and 2 Mini's. They are different guns and comparing them is borderline useless. My DPMS A4 Panther is 1 MOA pretty much stock. I did change the handguard and it has a quad gas block instead of the sight. It is carrying a 1-4x24 scope. My other AR is an Adams gas piston and almost but not quite as accurate as the DPMS but it stays a lot cleaner. It is carrying flips and a Sig Romeo 5XDR red dot. The 581 Mini 14 has an Ultimak forward rail and a strut. It is currently wearing a 1.75-4x32 scope but I like the gun a lot better with a red dot or scout scope on the front rail. It is just handy and I can take it to Kalifornistan if I need to. It shoots close to 1 MOA with hand loads. I think it would shoot to 1 MOA with a stronger scope and better shooter. The 583 Mini 30 is wearing the same scope and will go to a red dot on a forward rail as soon as I install the Amega. It would make a great fast handling light weight gun for hogs. It will keep PPU 123 grain SP inside the 2" center dot on my tagets at 100 yards. My American Ranch bolt will do 1 MOA with the same ammo. Strangely the Mini likes Silver Bear 123 Grain SP and will stay on 2 MOA while the American Ranch hates it. 2-3MOA with Wolf 123 grain HP. Always a flier in both rifles. If I want oustanding accuracy with 5.56 I go to my Mossberg MVP bolt which is consistantly sub MOA. I dont doubt the American Ranch will be sub MOA once I start handloading for it. I was not raised with or had service time on the AR platform. It is a good platform but I am old school. I like the feel of the non pistol grip stocks even though I have several guns with pistol grips. Sooting the S&W 15-22 is a lot of fun but Ilike shooting my 10-22 also. Maybe I am being lazy but bolts and singles are much easier to clean than semi's and I can work a bolt pretty quickly.
 
#109 ·
Maybe I am being lazy but bolts and singles are much easier to clean than semi's and I can work a bolt pretty quickly.
don't forget levers! super easy to maintain! I find myself spending more time with them for the reasons you said....so easy to clean and maintain.
 
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#113 ·
could it be that the gb802's were mostly destine for govt use, that gave them more attn. to detail? mine was fine. or was it hit or miss across the board on all mini's?
fyi... back in 1980ish, the gun dealer wasn't going to sell me one but when I showed him my military i.d., he sold it to me since I was govt employee.
 
#114 ·
good question. I couldn't answer that with any certainty, but I would say from just reading casually, more seem to be satisfied overall with the gb's as opposed to the standard pre 580 minis.

I think all minis pre 580 were subject to being anywhere from terrible shooters to very good shooters. likewise, craftsmanship ranged from superb to issues like crooked barrels and canted sights. one of the main issues, it seems, is that ruger's consistency in manufacturing was very suspect....proven by the fact they shut down and changed their entire method of operation prior to re-starting with the 580 series.

obviously, there are still 580+ series issues. but in general, most seem to agree the accuracy and manufacturing are more consistent. so, just my opinion, from all I have read and absorbed, some of the old minis were actually better than the new ones...but most were much, much worse. in general, and overall....most agree the 580 series was a huge improvement. perfect? no-far from it, but still an improvement nonetheless.
 
#115 ·
Can't cite the source, so this is at best rumor/gossip-level, but I recall reading a few years ago that early GB barrels were selected as the "cream of of crop" from the production line. If true - and I am NOT saying it is - that might explain GBs generally being better than non-GBs during the late '70s/early '80s. If I ever get a bench (other than a work bench) and have the patience, I'll see what it can really do. I do know that on a crappy (plastic pistol) rest in a prone position shooting 50 yards with factory ammo (PMC Bronze), into the sun with a TRS-25 set to the "7" intensity so I could see it, a "chin weld", and with a loose mount that almost fell off when I was prepping it for cleaning, it was a 4-5 MOA shooter AFTER a mag-dump of two 20s and one 30 round mag (wanted to check out vertical stringing). The stringing was more horizontal - primarily (I suppose) because of the loose mount. I was also in a rush to finish up for Happy Hour...

With things all tightened up (with copious amounts of blue loctite) from a decent bench and support not facing into the sun and the TRS-25 down to a setting of "2" or "3", and patience, of course, I have little doubt it is at least a 2-3 MOA shooter (even with my 65-year-old crappy eyes), unmodified except for the funky side-mounted P-rail and buffers fore and aft. This is an early 181GB, made in 1977; one I've had since early 1980. My first firearm.

I was doing this (shooting paper) as the "before" test in anticipation of adding my "Bubba-Strut". In the end, I decided it didn't need it for my purposes or needs, so the hand-tooled Bubba-Strut and Kkina's AccuStrut rest comfortably in a file cabinet with other Mini-14 stuff. As long as it can make plastic coffee creamer bottles dance and sail into the air at 50-75 yards, I'm happy. And it does, even when doing a mag dump, which I seldom do.

So, just my 2¢ worth. With the exception of the side-mounted P-rail and buffers and a factory wooden stock, it is/was as it left the factory back in 1977, with untold thousands of rounds through it. I'm a happy camper.
 
#116 ·
There is a tremendous amount of information here and I've got to take some time to read it all. A couple of questions though

-How do you know which generation Mini one has. Mine is in SS and the barrel appears to be tapered, that is, thee is what can best best be described as a "ring" about midway down the barrel. It's very difficult to discern but it appears to be a taper point, or rather the barrel diameter is a bit smaller at that point. The serial number on mine is 185-68xxx.

-Does the lower part of the acu-strut attach in some way to what I believe is called the gas block at the head of the stock.
 
#119 ·
-How do you know which generation Mini one has. Mine is in SS and the barrel appears to be tapered, that is, thee is what can best best be described as a "ring" about midway down the barrel. It's very difficult to discern but it appears to be a taper point, or rather the barrel diameter is a bit smaller at that point. The serial number on mine is 185-68xxx.
as a 185 series your mini is definitely not a tapered barrel.

hmmm....does anyone else think this is a GB mini and the "ring" is the bayonet lug/sight?

don't GB's present some difficulty with struts? and if a strut is feasible, then the 2 clamp is the absolute way to go.

looks like your mini was made 89-90. here is a quick and rough estimate.

https://ruger.com/service/productHistory/RI-Mini14A.html
 
#117 ·
Navigator, welcome to the world of the Mini!

The first three digits of the S/N generally indicate the "series". There isn't a real "generation", per se, but ranges of S/Ns.

There are three basic "generations" of Minis:
Mini-14
Mini-14 Range Rifle
580+series

The first two have "pencil-barrels", the early 580s also did, then Ruger went to a "tapered" barrel. It is generally agreed that the tapered barrel Minis are more accurate out of the box.

This link helps a bit:
http://sunflowerammo.blogspot.com/2012/11/ruger-mini-1430-barrel-twist-rates.html

Your Mini is a 1:7 barrel twist, which generally means it can handle well heavier bullets.

"-Does the lower part of the acu-strut attach in some way to what I believe is called the gas block at the head of the stock."

Yes, Depending on the model of AccuStrut, it will come with either one or two clamps. The inventor of this wonderful device recommends securing the 'strut to the gas block with screws (provided). This helps keep the strut from traveling fore-and-aft due to the recoil and is recommended. It is more a means to keep it from sliding back and forth, rather than mounting. Drilling a small "dimple" into the gas block helps secure it. The gas block material is tough stuff, so use new carbide drill bits and be patient.

Based on your S/N prefix, a 6" LT Accustrut should do well. There are other means to improve accuracy (such as cutting the barrel to 16.1"), but those are a bit more complex. If you have the means and desire to chopping off 2" of the barrel (and a crown job) and putting on a combo front sight/flash hider from Choate, you would be well rewarded.

The "early Minis" (that includes yours) are generally referred to as "pencil barrels". They have a bad rep from the AR crowd and all others not knowledgeable of Minis. they are a treasure and can be a fine shooter. And shooting them is the most fun you can have with your clothes on!!!

They are carbines, not sniper rifles. Just keep that in mind. 2 MOA should be acceptable. Much better, and you might be better satisfied with a bolt gun, but there are members here that get 1 MOA and better with a few tweaks.

I have two: a very early model 181 and a current 583. Both are wonderful, but different. Happily, they both handle the same mags and stocks. They both serve my needs and desires quite well.
 
#118 ·
Thanks so much. I found the 6 inch LT in SS on Amazon for $149.00 and am ordering it.

I don't know any local gunsmiths that I'd trust with cutting down and crowning the barrel so I'll try the Acustrut and see how it goes. I'm going to post a pic of my mini tomorrow.

Oh and one of our members posted a pic of his with a Butler Creek folding stock. I have one of those and while it is cool looking with the stock folded, open it is, well, not a joy to shoot. I took a piece of black fuel line, cut it along the length and wrapped it over the top bar. It sure feels better than having that that piece of steel on my cheek. There are other options like foam rubber, heavy black tape etc., but it works just fine.

Edit: And jackrich, I've always wanted to go hog hunting. In Washington state there is no season nor limit because they are considered non-indigenous pests. I believe Texas or Oklahoma are the places to go. I'd take my 1936 Marlin 30-30.
 
#120 · (Edited)
I just took a pic and some measurements of the barrel of my Mini. The pencil is pointed at the ring. The measurement on the barrel forward of the ring with my dial caliper is 11 thousandths inch less than the measurement along the barrel aft of the ring.

I probably should have waited for comments on this before buying the Accustrut. Hopefully this difference does not cause a problem with fitment and function of the device. Oops, inverted pic..Not sure how that happened.

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#121 ·
Mike, you're good-to-go! Not a GB model (I have a 181GB), which would have put the front sight/bayo lug just about where your pencil points: a slight increase in barrel diameter.

The front sight/flash hider looks to be after-market, but I can't tell which. It should help also in limiting the infamous "vertical stringing" in acting to attenuate same.

Pictures are worth a thousand words sometimes, and yours falls into that category.

You will be a happy camper with the AccuStrut and your front sight/flash hider. Probably close to 2-3 MOA, perhaps better since "every Mini is different"...
 
#123 ·
Good news. I bought the flash hider at a shop in Virginia Beach after the first time time I took the Mini out for a run. There was an outdoor range in Chesapeake and I was shooting it on the 100 yard range where bowling pins were set up in a sand embankment. I was hitting them at will when the rangemaster asked me to stop. Apparently we were supposed to use the pins as an off set target. I thought the muzzle blast was significant so bought the suppressor, or whatever the shop owner called it. It works.

Installation was easy. One knocks out the pin holding the front site to the barrel and inserts the elongated pin in the suppressor to affix it to the barrel. I think I installed it about 20 years ago.
 
#125 · (Edited)
Received the Accustrut today and a nice piece of kit it is. If nothing else, it changes the look of the Mini to more "M14ish".

Looking forward to getting it out on my club range or up in the Olympic National Forrest to put some serious rounds down range.

Again, I appreciate all of the comments and recommendations that you gents have provided.

Totally off topic but I've got so many projects going on that I've neglected my firearms. I just finished this old Ford F100 Heavy Half and am starting on putting together some of my old 650 Triumph motorcycles. Must not ignore the shooting skills.
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#126 ·
Received the Accustrut today and a nice piece of kit it is. If nothing else, it changes the look of the Mini to more "M14ish".

Looking forward to getting it out on my club range or up in the Olympic National Forrest to put some serious rounds down range.

Again, I appreciate all of the comments and recommendations that you gents have provided.

Totally off topic but I've got so many projects going on that I've neglected my firearms. I just finished this old Ford F100 Heavy Half and am starting on putting together some of my old 650 Triumph motorcycles.
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#130 ·
Jigs, not necessary on the rack but thanks so much for the offer. Some were made of rubber coated steel and adjustable and others a heavy plastic that was not adjustable.

Back on the Acustrut, I had to move the forward clamp back because of the reduced barrel diameter at the ring. If I mounted it as the directions say, with the rear of the forward mount 3.5 inches from the gas block, there is an air gap in the clamp, that is, it won't tightened down properly. I move it just rear of the ring, it fits perfectly but is about 1/2 inch short of the required dimension. I don't think it is going to be an issue.
 
#131 ·
This should make what I was trying to say more clear. According to the directions, the forward clamp should be all the way to the end of the strut tube but but right forward of how I've mounted it is where the diameter reduces. I wonder what the heck that was about anyway.

I'm going to use the LocTite provided on all of the screws and take it for a spin this week.
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#132 ·
i think you'll be ok on the placement. as for the loctite, the purple loctite is for securing the clamps directly onto the barrel (it is heat resistant), not for the screws. some blue loctite on the screws wouldn't hurt anything either.

use the Purple loctite to "glue" the clamps to the barrel, in other words. just be sure you have the strut lined up with the barrel before. if you mess up, i think it cleans off with rubbing alcohol, no big deal.

This should make what I was trying to say more clear. According to the directions, the forward clamp should be all the way to the end of the strut tube but but right forward of how I've mounted it is where the diameter reduces. I wonder what the heck that was about anyway.

I'm going to use the LocTite provided on all of the screws and take it for a spin this week.
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#136 ·
for sure. i haven't posted here more than a handful of times over this last year or two.

first post in months? an unrelated thread gets crowded with "buy an AR" and "my mini won't shoot" types. asking simple, yet legitimate questions about the problem mini go unanswered and ignored, but it least it seems to have helped a few posters leave.

glad you are here sandog. maybe a few legit threads about the mini, with real responses, will help out here. if you remember, this was once one of the better mini forums.

Haven't been on the forum for a while and just read all 7 pages of this thread. Jeez !
At least in the last couple pages it got back on topic.
 
#137 ·
i was thinking i need to update my mini pics. don't have any good shots of my beauties together.

that's the bittersweet part of getting your mini completed. you love it, its just right....but all that's left to do is shoot it and take pics of it. ;)
 
#138 · (Edited)
Finally got the Mini zeroed. The front sight was canted, and was shipped this way from the factory, untested for even laughably minimal accuracy. I guess I should be grateful they didn't smack it with a sledge-hammer, before Ruger threw it out the door.

shapeways.com {the .563 ID Clamp-On Front Sight-WTG6N}sells a bolt-on
front sight for the .562 sized barrel. 47.99$ plus shipping.
(thin, pre- 2005 issue) You have to get the bolts and lock-nuts for it at the local
hardware store. Once you remove the original front sight by carefully drifting out the
roll pin with a drift punch and a small hammer, then carefully twisting it off, this sight easily bolts on in it's place. Since it's adjustable, it removes the nerve wracking guesswork and QC issues
of re-drilling a new front sight roll pin straight.

So let's add it up, here, shall we? :

Accu-Strut-----------------------------------80.00$
Front Sight----------------------------------50.00$
A few boxes of ammo----------------------45.00$
Reduced gas bushings----------------------20.00$
Recoil reducers------------------------------14.00$
Targets---------------------------------------10.00$
Hours of time spent-------------------------???????$
________________________________________
Total-------------------------------------------219.00$

Gee whiz, I would have to say I humbly disagree with the original poster,
about
"the only thing needed to accurize a Mini-14", no offense, FWIW.
 
#140 ·
just my opinion, but it seems sending a faulty rifle back to ruger, and having them fix it on THEIR dime, would have been the best choice. my last mini, one small part was a bit bent, making it hard to disassemble. one call took care of that. new part, no charge, no questions. seems the path of least resistance imo???? you have a right to complain, BUT.....did you ever give ruger a chance to fix the problem?

i've had 2 real problem QC issues with 2 firearms i bought (neither a mini 14)......BUT....to the credit of both companies.....they handled both easily and with 100% satisfaction.

s#%t happens. when it does happen, does the company have your back? imo, you never gave ruger the chance?

sounds to me like you spent a bunch of unnecessary money, when you should have just contacted ruger and had them fix the sights.
 
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#139 ·
We never intimated it was a cheap hobby. Nice truck. I do miss my ‘70 F250 camper special. Had the 360 with 3-speed on the tree. Moved the shifter to the floor with a Hurst comp. plus shifter, worked out well with the bench seat. Man, what a gas hog! Thank god it was only $.50 a gallon.
 
#141 ·
NOT that it's ON TOPIC, but it seems to me that Ruger had PLENTY OF CHANCES,
to do right by the gun, BEFORE it left the factory:
1. The assembler could have checked to be sure the sight wasn't canted.
2. They could have TEST FIRED the rifle, for accuracy, the fact THEY DIDN'T
is obvious to the most casual observer.
3. IF they had a QC check, they also would have caught this obvious problem.

INSTEAD, Ruger was in a flying rush to throw the rifle out the door. HOW,
exactly, is the manner in which they treated the rifle, in the first place, supposed
to inspire me to trust them with it, as a return?
 
#142 · (Edited)
i agree 100%. ruger has been "hit and miss" on QC over the years, your mini should have never left the door like that.....

bit IT DID. and it happens in virtually every company that manufacturers anything. and ruger CS is generally considered outstanding in the gun community.

mossberg and henry BOTH took care of me when i had problems (hell, my mossberg would not even function out of the box). was i a bit ticked off about the inconvenience? sure, but on the other hand....both companies took care of me, and backed their product 100%. both firearms are in fine working order now, and i am a repeat customer for both companies.

but...if you want to complain to FTF mini forum, rather than to the company that sold you the rifle....that is your prerogative....just don't expect people to understand any logic in that approach.

good luck with your sights and your future endeavors with this rifle.

BTW-i hope, and feel, that this is perfectly "on topic"...as the issue it seems, is your mini 14's "inaccuracy." as it turns out, canted sights will certainly effect any gun's practical "accuracy." and ANY attempt to increase accuracy on such a rifle will surly fail, if the sights or optics are not in proper order.

NOT that it's ON TOPIC, but it seems to me that Ruger had PLENTY OF CHANCES,
to do right by the gun, BEFORE it left the factory:
1. The assembler could have checked to be sure the sight wasn't canted.
2. They could have TEST FIRED the rifle, for accuracy, the fact THEY DIDN'T
is obvious to the most casual observer.
3. IF they had a QC check, they also would have caught this obvious problem.

INSTEAD, Ruger was in a flying rush to throw the rifle out the door. HOW,
exactly, is the manner in which they treated the rifle, in the first place, supposed
to inspire me to trust them with it, as a return?
 
#143 ·
NO, the topic was "THE ONLY THING NEEDED to accurize your mini-14". I think it's
been VERY CLEARLY established that a dab of RTV on the inside of the bolt, as the
OP so glibly claimed, ain't cutting it.

Yanno, Ruger COULD have handled the QC with these rifles very differently,
already having the clear inherent advantage of the lower iron sight mounts to the barrel
over ARs. Not to mention a built-in customer-base which loves the Garand design.
But they chose to piss it away on whippy barrels, canted sights, iffy gas blocks,
and crappy quality control, in general.

Because, sorry, a sad fact of life is that the Mini-14 and the AR15 are the two major
platforms which fire 223/556 in semi-auto. This mere fact is going to invite comparison of the two designs, like it or not.
 
#144 · (Edited)
NO, the topic was "THE ONLY THING NEEDED to accurize your mini-14". I think it's
been VERY CLEARLY established that a dab of RTV on the inside of the bolt, as the
OP so glibly claimed, ain't cutting it.
IF you read my initial responses to the original topic, you might see that i was quite skeptical of this approach as "the only thing needed" to improve accuracy of the mini as well.

but the big bridge WE can't seem to cross is....HOW is a rifle supposed to be "accurate" when....as you proclaimed....the sights you are using are flawed. wouldn't you agree NO ATTEMPT to improve accuracy will matter if your sights or optics have problems? you have called the mini inaccurate, when the fix has nothing to do with the function of the rifle.

you are upset about buying an accu-strut to fix canted sights? i know you understand struts, gas bushings, or buffers would have no effect whatsoever in correcting that probelm. that's like buying those items and hoping they will fix a broken scope? and imo, you should have never paid to fix a new product that was flawed.

as said, EVERY company will have some issues with production. here is my thread on mossberg's CS. i was argry too that i got a brand new firearm out-of-the-box that was malfunctioning to the point it was inoperable. but i sent it to them, and they fixed with no questions asked.

https://www.firearmstalk.com/threads/mossberg-customer-service-well-done.124041/

instead of bash them for QC w/o giving them a chance to right it, i actually ended up applauding their CS and product backing. customer service in the gun industry imo is WAY above and beyond any other manufactered products.

[QUOTE="Yanno, Ruger COULD have handled the QC with these rifles very differently,
already having the clear inherent advantage of the lower iron sight mounts to the barrel
over ARs. Not to mention a built-in customer-base which loves the Garand design.
But they chose to piss it away on whippy barrels, canted sights, iffy gas blocks,
and crappy quality control, in general.[/QUOTE]


ok...the root of the problem. you are pissed. i think you have every right to be. call ruger and tell them what you are saying here. demand the gun fixed or replaced....or demand your money back. all i am saying, and will say again....is i have dealt with ruger CS on 2 minor issues and i give them 2 thumbs up in each instance. they never argued and handled both issues 100% on their cost.

[QUOTE="Because, sorry, a sad fact of life is that the Mini-14 and the AR15 are the two major
platforms which fire 223/556 in semi-auto. This mere fact is going to invite comparison of the two designs, like it or not.[/QUOTE]


agree to disagree, but this is also off original topic. so lets stick to your problems with your mini.
 
#145 ·
Ruger replaced a revolver for me because the rear sight was not properly milled. It happens. They paid shipping both ways. If you are afraid to deal with Ruger CS dont ever buy a Taurus.
 
#146 · (Edited)
Oh, I get it, hawkguy, you didn't read post #138, where I think I clearly stated
"I finally got my mini zeroed." That means I got the sights fixed. The sights are
now functioning. I know, for some reason, you don't WANT them to, but they do
work, now.

I never said there was a problem with Ruger Customer Service. I have mentioned
QUALITY CONTROL, a few times. Or perhaps, in the case of Minis, the total lack of it.

Now, I'm a little lost here, are you saying that the AR15, and the Mini-14
AREN'T the major two designs in semi-auto which use 223/556? Or that
people aren't going to compare them, because of this?

As to "don't ever buy a Taurus", the reason I bought the Mini, used, in the first
place, was precisely because I trusted Ruger WASN'T like Taurus.
 
#147 ·
danoobie, if your point is: the OP's accuracy "fix" for the mini is questionable, then we agree.

if your point is: ruger QC is "hit and miss," we agree again....although in owning 2 minis, i haven't been effected personally.

i am glad you fixed your sights, but you're missing my point.

but in post #138, you have a laundry list of the cost of mods you made to "fix" your mini. seems to me, you should have never paid to fix the sights, so that is irrelevant...ruger would have fixed it for you free of charge.

as for the other mods, it seems, based on the posting...you made these mods before you completely inspected the rifle (it seems you discovered the canted sights after). from what you have explained, the vast majority of your problem was basically a mini lemon, incorrectly manufactured.

i hope you get your mini shooting right. it just seems you are taking the path of most resistance, then lashing out about that.

what you have done is basically like fixing a car under warranty with your own money, and then complaining about what you spent fixing a car under warranty! that is a difficult logic to understand for most people.

Oh, I get it, hawkguy, you didn't read post #138, where I think I clearly stated
"I finally got my mini zeroed." That means I got the sights fixed. The sights are
now functioning. I know, for some reason, you don't WANT them to, but they do
work, now.

I never said there was a problem with Ruger Customer Service. I have mentioned
QUALITY CONTROL, a few times. Or perhaps, in the case of Minis, the total lack of it.
 
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#151 ·
so you bought a used Ruger, and you are blaming Ruger? i wonder why the seller was selling it to begin with?

and i have read several times on other forums where people bought a used Ruger, and Ruger stepped up and fixed the problem, at their expense. but i doubt you ever contacted them, did you? the worst answer you could have gotten was no, and you would have been no worse off than you are now.
 
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