I was debating on getting a .45 because I liked the caliber and shooting it at the range(buddys gun), but what about the 10mm? It is all the rage on the Glock forum and Hi Point forum(other Carbon Media forums).
Not really in a gun buying mode, so I don't want make any investment before I look at all of them.
Carry pretty hard in the 9mm.
What would make me want to go to 10mm over 9mm for carry, and what is the pros and cons of that vs. the .45 caliber, should I be looking at other calibers?
"What would make me want to go 10mm over 9mm for carry" ? Answer, NOTHING! The reason the 40 S&W was 'born' is because of the 'over kill' of the 10 for SD. Just use some common sense and everything will be ok. The 10 is a 'nich/hobby' caliber when it comes to SD and has limited use in the hunting arena.
Buddy has Delta Elite (1st edition).
Hot loads were no big deal.
He thought they were.
I was putting a fair amount through a 4" 629 weekly.
*****cat the 10mm is LOL
We have to be kind of careful in calling the Secret Service "wimpy". The FBI found that some of the females could not handle the firearms (at the time) that were in a 10mm caliber. The 9mm platform (Sig, S&W) could be handled by the smaller handed personnel, whereas the 10mm was not. For most people, a 1911 in 10mm is comfortable to shoot with the correct technique. Would I recommend the 10mm for SD, yes (but I should add considering that added clothing is worn in winter). Overkill? How can you make something more deader than dead?
My $.02 is that a 10mm is the .357 magnum of the semi-auto world. For carry, where conflict is typically 21ft or less, the 10mm is unnecessary for me. I say that being a person that does not thrive on recoil...my carry revolver, I shoot .38+p.
Not going to start a caliber war hopefully, but any of the common self defense chamberings in 9mm, 40 and 45 will do the trick at 21ft...the rest is just personal likes or dislikes. The 10mm kicks alot so some people don't shoot it as well either and ammo is much more expensive if you intend to target shoot much. The .357 Sig falls in a similar category too so if you don't mind the expense and want a unique chambering then the 10mm would be an interesting choice...if utility and cost are of importance then I would choose a common round that is efficient and available...just my opinion of course.
Much has been written on efficacy of bullets and here is my beliefs: living things go down as as result of lack of blood/oxygen to the brain and/or damage to the central nervous system. There might be an effect of hydro static shock bursting blood vessels with very powerful rounds (likely not pistol rounds). If an animal, any animal, Has a bullet through the heart and flow stops it has 10 seconds of oxygen in its brain...then unconscious followed by death. Anyone who has fainted (I have many times) understands what it is like to lack blood flow and oxygen to the brain. Other wounds to blood vessels, surrounding organs etc will take longer to "bleed out". So does a 10mm do that better than a 9mm? Enough hunters and video exists where the hit animal does not instantly drop...sometimes they do. Every deer I have shot through the heart didn't run 40 yards. One deer, I spined with my bow having made an inaccurate shot and got lucky...that deer dropped immediately but was not dead...had to shoot him again...again in 10 seconds, it was unconscious. So a gun that you can shoot accurately is best and one that you can shoot accurately with the most terminal/bullet expansion and soft tissue damage is best for you...that is an individual choice and preference.
That is my best opinion on the subject.
There is a saying about "beware of the man who owns one gun, he may know how to use it."
I suggest that you get something that you feel comfortable with that will allow you to go to the range regularly (i.e. inexpensive ammo), yet is large enough caliber that you would feel okay going into a pen with a 150# wild boar with. If you think the gun caliber is too small for such a wild pig, then it may be too small for SD.
If I had to choose just one of my handguns to carry. I would be my Sig ultra compact 1911, .45acp...not because it's a .45, but because I shoot the best groups at 21'
I don't carry the same pistols, but the M&P Shield 9mm and Ruger LCR are common for me and pictured is a heck of a carry pistol along the lines of Glockman55's...but don't carry as much as the other two. I never feel under-gunned except for the low round count
Caliber/cartrdge are no big deal.
It's gun size and weight, and how screwed up my back is..........that dictates what I carry.
No longer do I find my Commander in a Galco Concealable comfy. Can carry same rig in a Fobus and have zero probs. But........I'm long waisted, and that rig holds the gun out and lower.
Lately my carry gun has been a Kahr CW9. easy carry IWB, or it's big brother Kahr PM45. I have a few to choose from.. Have a couple Shoulder rigs I like as well
One of my questions for any new - to me, anyway - firearm or cartridge, is 'What will it do not done by any of my current arms and chamberings?'
With that, sometimes the 'what will it do?' is simply fulfill a long desire. I am building a gentleman's sporting rifle in caliber 6.5x54 M-S. I've wanted one for years and now I can do it. So I will.
So. What use or desire will be fulfilled by a 10mm handgun? If the main drive is 'everyone has one', then I suggest this may not be a long term thing.
What will it do? Not really that much...in my youth, new cartridges and the ballistic performance of existing ammo was interesting to me and I took a deep dive into it, splitting hairs and forming opinions about this is better than that... .264 Win Mag is better than .270 Win, for example. With age usually comes wisdom and practicality as the worlds realities sets in and at some point, I don't know when exactly, function and practicality overcame the infatuation of "something new" for me.
Now, I have become extremely pragmatic and while I love to learn, debate and dive into the details I am always reminded of my own limitations...like a golfer that wants a pro golfer's clubs but can't shoot below 85...so when resources are scarce (money) you look to the "middle of the road" or above average solution and are very happy, content and pleased with your buy. My dream gun is a Nighthawk .45...so I own a few less expensive models instead. I'm content with that.
Again, at 21 ft or less, a whole bunch of rounds do the trick well. For the hunter going after whitetails in the woods...how many shots are over 250 yards? Can you shoot that good? In the Rockies, hunting sheep or antelope on the plains, then maybe that long range rifle becomes more pragmatic...I bet my .270 can still kill anything at any range I can hit with though and a 30-06 will kill any animal on the North American continent ....though If I was going after Griz, I'd likely go to a .338 just because I don't like being #2 on the food chain!
you can buy a variety of 1911's in 45 ACP that are double stack. Mine holds 14 + 1.
you can also buy an FNX-45 that holds 15 +1
a 10 would be NICE but only for deer or bear hunting....too much penetration in my book.
I've been looking to buy a S&W 460 Magnum USED but have not been able to find anything under 1100 bucks.
TOO rich for my blood! I passed a while back on a 454 Casull for only $500 and I am kicking myself now.
We tried the 10mm in the S&W semi's when the FBI and SS were supposedly switching thanks to a friendly LE Equipment salesman. I was carrying a S&W 645 at the time and quickly determined the 10mm was not for me. That 645 was among the best gun I've owned. BTW = another reason the Feds dumped the 10mm was too many failures to qualify with the standard 60-round course of fire used at the time. Grip size as well as caliber were problems for some agents. I had a chance to buy an identical pistol in 10mm with a case of cartridges and passed. Oh well.
10mm is an awesome round! Powerful and accurate (in a GOOD gun) it can do a lot of things well. BUT! The ammo can be expensive....components can be expensive if you reload. But if you can afford to shoot it regularly, you will be happy with it. Springfield just came out with a couple of new 10mm 1911s...one is a longslide!
the 40sw is a 10mm short.they made it cause alot of people could not handle10mm recoil.then10mm went by wayside,now it on come back where alot manufactures are on bandwagon,great for hunting,i have one for carry.
Hi, guys. Hope I'm not doing something wrong. Maybe someone could point me in the right direction. Looking for info on reloading for a 10mm Thompson Center. How do I get to where I'm supposed to be ?
Fairly new here and can't seem to find my way to post a new question, thanks in advance.
By the way YAY on the 10mm
I seem to remember, that Thompson Center publishes loads on the Internet. Don't quote me.
However type in 10mm loads for Thompson Center. I bet just what you are looking for pops up with a bit of looking.
I don't know where all my manuals are. The ones I just pulled off the shelf, are before the 10mm came along.
I load the 10mm, so I have load tables somewhere.
I have been shooting for over 45 years. I do prefer the .45. It can do anything the .40 can and not nearly as expensive. Ny absolute favorite is the 1911. As a gunsmith the older pre series 80's are the only way to go. Preferably Colt or any good government model. Easy to work on and no limit to options either custom or drop-in. A litte on the heavy side but it is all about what you get used to.
the 10 mm is an excellent round. has excellent ballistics and there are some decent pistols offered in the cartridge from the gun manufacturers.
but, it's not a round to have if you are on budget, unless you reload. if a person is simply buying factory ammo and on a budget, then stick with a 45 or 9mm. much easier on the wallet!
True. I know one friend who carries his Delta Elite everywhere regardless of what it takes. His life revolves around that gun. I respect his decision and dedication, but I do not agree with him as my 'little' 9 is a much better choice for SD when you consider ALL the factors. The 10 is a 'hobby' caliber, nothing more!
The FBI not long ago gave-up it's 10mm "carry" for their agents. When that occurs, it's usually because generally their personnel can't handle the firearm. I think they went back to 9mm. I once shot a 10mm at the range and it has a heck of a wallop recoil. My Smith Model 342 Airlite in .38 Spl. +P hurts enough for me. As such, I wouldn't want to carry that caliber for personnel defense, plus the 10mm is usually a larger handgun. I didn't see any compacts and compacts would create even worse recoil. If it's a carry guy you wish, it's either a 9mm (with plenty of ammo choices) or a .45 Cal. (slow-moving bowling ball). I used to carry a .45 occasionally but stuck with a Smith 9 Shield and just upsized the mag capacities. For carry, size matters. The only exception is a belt carry for bigger people who don't mind logging-around a hog leg. I am thinking of purchasing one of those Springfield XDS Mod. 2 guns though in .45 Cal. for optional carry.
The FBI not long ago gave-up it's 10mm "carry" for their agents. When that occurs, it's usually because generally their personnel can't handle the firearm. I think they went back to 9mm.
It's kind of funny. They looked at 10mm because of the Miami shootout because they hit the perps many times with a lot of 9mm, and they kept on shooting back. They wanted something harder hitting that might be more of a manstopper. So they tried 10mm. They worked fin, but the only ammo out there was 200 grain pretty hot loads from Norma. I heard that the female agents were having trouble with the recoil, but they had the SAME problems with .45's. So after the whole study and costs outlay and testing, what does the FBI do? Goes right back to 9mm. What a boondoggle! By the way, they tried to download 10mm for the limp wristers and ended up with the .40 S&W (Jokingly called a .40 cal short and weak). But the FBI had already decided to go back to 9mm.
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