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Time For Modern Minutemen ?

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#1 ·
Like most prudent people in today's America, I keep a pistol handy . Doing so is a nuisance but not a danger . If I never need it, the nuisance will be the only price paid for preparedness . So.....I've covered all the bases, or so I thought !
About 2 active shooter massacres back, a former NRA instructor got an AR-15 out of his safe and ran toward the danger, loading a magazine as he ran . He shot the murderer and we're grateful for that but ---- the hero was obviously not prepared for an active shooter situation . If he had kept his AR-15 loaded and accessible, he could have probably saved more lives by getting to that church sooner . ( And people would have called him a paranoid nut for thinking he needed a loaded AR-15 in his house .)
Question : Are active shooters and ISIS " lone wolves " reason enough for citizens to keep rifles ready and should local police and elected officials be encouraged to call on such citizens in emergencies ?
Perhaps it is time to unleash a " well-regulated militia " on the occasional mass killer .
Your thoughts and comments are invited .
 
#231 ·
If there is an armed insurrection against the United States government by your precious militia, I can guarantee you the military will put it down..

If you think that American soldiers will not fire on traitors trying to overthrow our government, you really need to get out of the mountains more and talk to real Americans.

Remember the 101st Airborne at Little Rock??? The "badasses" melted into the shadows as soon as their trucks started to roll in.

Since most of these folks are hard line racists, do you think they will solve the "Black problem?" the Jew poblem? The Catholic problem?

Ya know, all of the pictures and TV from the Bundy incident, I looked closely at the skinheads, and I didn't see one black person. I didn't see one person wearing a yarmulke. I didn't see anyone holding a rosary. Didn't see anyone holding a bible.
 
#232 ·
Well. Since you command the military and know what they will do in response to the American people being attacked by their own government to further an agenda I'll bow to your Supreme .
I'll also leave you to your crystal ball that let's you know how people will react to being attacked by their own government to accomplish unconstitutional theft of land other property.

Personally I'm hoping the Fed just behaves itself long enough for a convention of states to render them powerless but exactly is spelled out in the cotus as their role.

I did see bibles. Can't say I really paid attention to black white etc.

It's pretty simple . Yes the gov can push to hard an the the people have a right to defend themselves against it when it does.

That is the one and only reason the 2A was put in the COTUS.

There are things worse than dieing.
The founders knew that.
A fact that is lost on too many now days. Or we would not have reached the mess we are in now.

Oh. And they aren't MY militia. I don't belong to a particular militia.
Most of the people that sent BLM packing weren't.
 
#238 ·
This is the oath I swore:

"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."

Some folks seem to forget the second part.
 
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#239 ·
When the POTUS, SCOTUS, OFFICERS etc begin giving orders that violate the COTUS they become domestic enemies of the COTUS. Do they not?

Would not an order to attack and disarm by force the American public violate the constitution?

You swore first to protect the constitution.

And the gov as declared in their writings over and over again is the most likely enemy of the COTUS.
 
#246 ·
Why not, they all are.
 
#254 ·
The militia could be called up in case of invasion.
We had no standing army then.

The 2a purpose was to protect the right of the people to be armed with the same weapons as the gov but in much larger numbers so as to keep the gov answerable to the people.

Militia or no. Americans have the right to resist illegal arrests up to and including taking the officers life, and gov actions that are unconstitutional.

The American people have always had and still do the right to defend themselves and their rights against oppressive an oppressive over reaching gov.

That fact is not just my opinion but can be found time and time again in the founders writings.
 
#263 ·
Oh yeah. My mission.

To crush my enemies.
See my enemies driven before me.
And hear the lamentations of their women. :D

Wait. Wrong mission.
Eh let's see. :oops:

Oh! To explore strange new worlds.
Seek out new civilizations
To boldly go WHERE NO MAN has....... . Darn it:confused:

Don't tell me.

Oh yeah.

To live a good life , in peace, as a free man, in a free nation .With God given rights no gov has authority to take away. And die that way.


No state secret.:D

Now I'm dying to know how you got personally acquainted with and know the thoughts of 3humpteen million people?:eek:
 
#264 ·
I get around enough to know how people feel about militas. Normal people see them as slugs,losers and little brownshirts , who think of themselves as some kind of patriot, when, in fact, they dont have a clue as to what America is all about and have a perverted sense of freedom and justice.

I spoke to all of the people I mentioned. All 325 million. Only 168 liked militas. Does that answer your question?
 
#265 ·
Normal people see them as slugs,losers and little brownshirts , who think of themselves as some kind of patriot, when, in fact, they dont have a clue as to what America is all about and have a perverted sense of freedom and justice.
That would depend upon what one considers "normal people " now wouldn't it. ?

Pretty sure your idea of normal people and mine are as far apart as our idea of why this nation was founded and what it was founded to be.


Met 3 million folks huh?
Popular guy lol
 
#266 · (Edited)
I will tell you what my notion of "normal" people are.

Normal people respect and revere our nation for what it is. They understand that the nation changes and that the culture is not locked in the 16th century. They respect the rule of law and appreciate those who enforce it. If they see injustice, they work within the system to correct it. They spend their precious leisure time at T-ball games, and piano recitals, not running around the woods playing Rambo and preparing for a SHFT.

They are people that get up, every day, and go to work so that they can provide for themselves and their families. They recognize the value of a diverse culture and respect the rights of people who are different from themselves. They strive to create a society that will give their children the possibility of a safe, secure and nurturing world.

They know that the way forward is through education, not revolution. They understand that they are one of many and work to improve the lives of all. Normal people have compassion for those who have not been as fortunate as they have.
 
#267 ·
well said Mr. Chainfire! :)

i do believe that the founding fathers gave the citizens the means to overthrow an oppressive government, by means of revolting, and fighting back and taking over. i just don't believe for one minute that we are anywhere near that point yet in this country. we still have the ability to vote, to protest, to speak out and voice our concerns and our disapproval.

when we lose that ability, and those rights, then it may be time to consider a revolution. but IMO, we a long ways from that time.
 
#270 ·
Haven't seen anyone calling for a revolution just now.
. Or claiming to be "bad" . Except for a few who can't resist long drawn out tales of their daring do in bars etc.

Realize however once the RTKABA is infringed much farther, anyone with any effective means to fight a unjust government will already be deemed a criminal so public perception, invariably wrong BTW, is a moot point.

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I personally am not a member of a militia at present and consider a convention of states the last peaceful option if it's called soon enough.

Voting isnt going to get it done. We've been voting for over 200 yrs and our gov is more out of control and more of our rights are being infringed than ever.
 
#272 · (Edited)
Haven't seen anyone calling for a revolution just now.
. Or claiming to be "bad" . Except for a few who can't resist long drawn out tales of their daring do in bars etc.

Realize however once the RTKABA is infringed much farther, anyone with any effective means to fight a unjust government will already be deemed a criminal so public perception, invariably wrong BTW, is a moot point.


I personally am not a member of a militia at present and consider a convention of states the last peaceful option if it's called soon enough.

Voting isnt going to get it done. We've been voting for over 200 yrs and our gov is more out of control and more of our rights are being infringed than ever.
Watch the programs on TV about some of these "Militia" groups sometimes. you'll start to see a pattern if you do, or most of us have.

It is those "militias, the ones who give the real ones, made up of citizens not trying to show off, and not calling for an all out war, over a perceived slight by the government, that are what I am talking about. They give the public, the perception they have, when they hear the word militia, and why they see a bunch of jacked up, flying high on meth, or something stronger, illegally converted weapons having, drunken buffoons, out playing soldier of fortune on the weekends, and jerking off to their betamax copy of Red Dawn, and laundering thei KKK uniforms.

(Note that that is not my own perception, except in cases where that is what they are doing, while showing off for the camera crew, an hamming it up, because they are finally gonna be on Youtube\ a reality program.)

And yes, i myself do know the truth of it, when it comes to what a real militia is, and what the public thinks it is, because, just as it is for us ans gun owners, it's the total f*** ups, psychos, and law breakers, who get 99% of the coverage in the media, because A., it gets eyes on the screen, and B. the real pros stay off the radar, and work within the law of the land, while staying prepared to fight if needed.

And if the SHTF, there are a lot of us who are not in any militia, who would step up, and answer that call.

they just don't brag about it in public, or try to act like a bad a**.

And those ones are the ones I respect. And every free citizen of this country, as was intended from day one, is a part of the militia, free to join, if they are willing.

No, wait. that was every free white male, not every citizen. Same with voting, and a bunch of other things at the time that the Constitution was written, edited, written again, and re-edited, ad nauseum.

Bear in mind that the 2A went through a few rewrites, before it was finally settled, and added in. So, changing it is not a new thing. One of the things removed from the 2A had direct mention of who was required to be part of the militia, before it was removed from that amendment.
 
#271 ·
Dick's is going out of business, so they are having a Going Out Of Business Sale! wear your militia uniform on the final day in business, and get an extra 15% off on any rifle in inventory!

any militia members under the age of 21, please bring your parent, or guardian to buy your rifles or shotguns! we have laws to abide by, and could care less if we piss you off, or infringe upon your right to be armed at militia events and rallies!

disclaimer: this post is being made in pure jest, and not to be taken serious in any way! you have been warned! :)

this ad paid for by Dick's and your friendly local militant militia groups! :D:p
 
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#276 ·
So, the only possible solution to our desperate situation is a Convention of States to replace our current government with... what?
 
#277 ·
Not to replace our system of government. That isn't the purpose.

But to remove the illegally gained powers the fed and SCOTUS have simply created for themselves and put both back in the small box the Founders limited them too.
And perhaps add teeth to the BOR and other limits the COTUS puts on the FED. Like life in prison for any official that attempts to circumvent them, including SCOTUS judges. Or the death penalty.

Not replace it. But bring it back to its constitutional levels of authority and put penalties in place to damn well keep it there.

Nobody is gonna like the way things go in the next 20 yrs if the Fed is not reined in.
 
#278 ·
Not to replace? But change it back to what you believe its original form was / should have been? How is that not replacing what's there with something else?

OK. So, are we going to keep all the amendments since 1800? Or just the first 10?

It must be nice to live in an utopia. I'll have to try it someday.
 
#279 ·
i'm pretty sure it would be a hit with women and their right to vote, or the blacks and their civil rights, and their right to not be slaves! or if we go back far enough, no Prohibition either! okay, so going back for one thing is pretty good if you like alcohol! :):D
 
#284 ·
Forget the police and army, what about the people that are happy and don't want change (in this twilight zone scenario) are they then the enemy to be put down by the so called militia. What would give the militia groups the authority to decide whats right and wrong for its fellow citizens. Maybe its just me but it all sounds like a load of rubbish fantasised about by people that are watching to many John Wayne films.
 
#292 ·
Exactly, they just might "clarify" the second amendment and we might really not like the new version. I don't want anybody playing Russian Roulette with our system of government.
 
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#290 ·
The problem we currently have is that the rich have convinced most voters that what is good for business is good for America. And, that ain’t necessarily so. Big business now owns all of the politicians, and they all give lip service to what the electorate wants, after the news media which is owned and run by and for the rich tells them what matters to them.

So, we have a constitutional convention. All that will be accomplished is the good of the rich and big business will be codified into the new constitution, at the cost of the populace. Welcome to serfdom.
 
#295 ·
The Pandora's box aspect arises because if the CoS happens to address your perceived 2A crisis, it will stop all government functions for however long it takes to resolve the crisis. Chaos. Anarchy. A very bad day for everyone.
 
#296 ·
Not true.
A huge majority of states must ratify any change to anything brought up.

That is a baseless fear that did not even crop up during the 1st and so far only COS in history.
The one that gave us our constitution.
The one presently being trashed.

It's not but even if your fear was based in fact, that would be preferable to endure than to become a nation of subjects ruled by socialists and communists backed up by a monarch of 9 robes.
 
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