Why the 1911 magazine debate?

Discussion in '1911 Forum' started by DodgerBlue, Jul 10, 2012.

  1. DodgerBlue

    DodgerBlue New Member

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    Why do we discuss what magazines we need and to improve them after we get em?

    I came across a post today on a forum where a person got a new Kimber only hours earlier and was asking what magazines he needed to get!

    I was like, dude, it came with a magazine. Just buy a few OEMs and you're good.

    But all the post above and below were telling him to get "brand X" magazine, replace everything with "brand z" internals, and go from there.

    I offered up try OEMs.

    Then I asked, why was it in WWII they used stock magazines with no fancy name, bullet proof springs, or special teflon coated base plates and still won the war? Hard to believe I know. Imagine fighting for your life without the brand name on the side of the magazine in today's times.

    I think i found the reason. The younger generation who are now starting carrying are victims of a soft up bringing. Getting everything they want as long as it had a name sewn on the side or embroidered somewhere on it.

    It has carried over to guns. Now the age of being able to carry people look at guns like Paris Hilton looks at dogs. Nothing but for show and it has to be cool.

    So when they get a new 1911 its off to WC or other to dress it up. Ask somebody what they carry. They will say Brand X 1911 with Brand Z magazines in the same breath. They wont just say 1911 or brand x 1911.

    “We’re consumers. We are by-products of a lifestyle obsession. Murder, crime, poverty, these things don’t concern me. What concerns me are celebrity magazines, television with 500 channels, some guy’s name on my underwear."-Tyler Durden
     
  2. Overkill0084

    Overkill0084 New Member

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    If we were all shooting GI Ammo through GI guns, the old stand-bys would be fine. Things have moved on, for better or worse.
    Tighter specs on this and that.
    Folks wanting to shoot SWCs out of them.
    Ramped Match barrels.
    They ain't grandpa's Ithaca any more. Needs change and the products do as well.

    FWIW, my SA OEM mags were flawless. the Checkmates with my DW, less so. When I buy mags, I tend to stick with what works. For me, that means Wilson Combat 47Ds for the .45s. They just work. That 8th round is nice too. Honestly, cheaper Chip McCormicks or Metalforms might be fine, then again maybe not. Why monkey about when you have what works.
     

  3. rjd3282

    rjd3282 New Member

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    I use the two oem mags and a bunch of cheap no name mags in my pt1911 and have no problems at all. They feed everything from HP to SWC just fine. Frankly the tighter spec thing is a non issue in a close range self defense weapon. At 7 feet I'm more worried about function than I am half inch groups. Sure if you are building a bullseye gun tight is good but for combat I'll take mine a tad loose any day.
     
  4. sputnik1988

    sputnik1988 New Member

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    I run factory Taurus mags in my PT1911, since its been broken in, they work 100%. I also use an original US Army mag and it runs 100%.

    People will always bash what they don't have, they own the best, their choice is always better.

    You can't fix stupid.
     
  5. gollygee

    gollygee New Member

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    I believe a lot of it is just effective marketing. In some cases, if a pistol has timing issues which cause misfeeds, a different magazine may help cover up the problem. I had 3 of the Philipines 1911s (got rid of one of them) & none of them would feed properly with the ACT mags that came with them. After a lot of experimentation with 4 different brands of mags & about 700 rounds of ammo in each pistol, finally found a couple of 7 round mags that work. Yet, the original ACT mags work perfectly in my Colt.
     
  6. silverado113

    silverado113 New Member

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    I have a Charles Daly 1911 which is Armscor, RIA, or whatever else you want to call it. OEM mags work ok, but I run Wilson Combat mags in my EDC option with it because there is a big difference in functionality. Nonetheless, I would think an OEM Kimber mag wouldn't need to be replaced as well but if that's what he asked for then that's what he gets IMO.
     
  7. bartwatkins

    bartwatkins New Member

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    I have an SA loaded 1911...
    It came with a couple of factory mags (metalform makes them, I think). It also came with a nice "loaded coupon" where I could purchase a bunch more of the same factory mags at a great price. So, I bought a bunch more of those. That is all I run in that gun. Many will claim that factory SA mags are crap but they have worked flawlessly for me.

    I also own an Ed Brown Kobra 1911...
    It came with only 1 factory mag orginally - so I bought several extra ones from Brown when I ordered the gun. That is all I run in that gun. Many will claim that factory EB mags are crap but they have worked flawlessly for me.

    I also own a Dan Wesson Guardian 1911...
    It came with two factory mags (checkmate makes them). The factory mags have been flawless but I did want a few extra mags. This time, I opted to by three or four Tripp Cobra mags. They are also flawless and live up to everything that I have heard about them.

    I guess the moral of my story is that it really does not have to be "one way or the other". I use both factory OEM mags and brand name mags. I do think that some folks have issues with certain factory OEM mags and we live in a world where "upgrades" are always available & for sale. This is especially true of the 1911 platform in general.
    For the exact same reason, a bunch of folks upgrade and add parts to 1911's too. Magazines are part of that "platform culture". I see it as more that than any generational thing.
     
  8. bearrwe

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    I bought a bunch of US surplus 1911 mags in the cosmoline way back when. I've never had an issue with any of them over the years. I've used them in everything from Colts to Detonics to RIA, maybe I've just been lucky. I've had a few that the springs have gotten soft on but after 30 years I won't hold it against them. I just retire them and clean off another. I figure find what works for you, practice with it till your comfortable and who cares what the next guy thinks, he ain't carrying your rig or protecting your family.
     
  9. rjd3282

    rjd3282 New Member

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    Maybe it just makes the guy who bought a high dollar gun that doesn't function correctly feel better to blame it on the mags. :D
     
  10. ellwood45c

    ellwood45c New Member

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    I have had several factory mags work just fine, but i also have name brands work a little better. Alot of it can be just the shooter prefference, and bad mags. Its just like anything else you get good ones and bad ones plain and simple. I had shot my citadel, ria, colt and sig with factory mags with only a couple all out failures. Mainly the act mags that was with the citadel and ria. While shooting one day the bottoms of the act mags just feel of dumping my rounds onto the ground. After realizing what happend and getting very upset i started buying better mags. Wilson, Mcormick, Tripp cobras, and so on. There is a difference in all mags some people cant tell a difference or u may not be able to tell a dufference between guns. But in my perticular case i can, my sig is not fond of the wilsons but does great with the tripps and mcormicks.
    But alot of can just boil down to the difference between colt and rock island. Its just personal prefference. This is just my opinion and my particular guns. What ever works for the individual person by all means shoot and have a great time, thats what matters most.
     
  11. JonM

    JonM Moderator

    oem mags are often hard to find. they often dont really work that well exception being colt and springfield. buying milsurps when it comes to 1911 mags they are often just repackaged korean knockoffs parading as milsurp.

    ive got some mags that served with the 25th infantry division in ww2 likely saw action with some soldier in the pacific korea and vietnam. they work great. problem is finding more of the same that is for sure the real deal.

    so one can order great aftermarket mags or hunt like the devil for oem or real milsurps
     
  12. HOSSFLY

    HOSSFLY New Member

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    Hell, I don't debate anymore - just "listen" :)
    I've got some Mec-Gar & Metalform, CM, Colt & a few i don't know what they are -- I test them, if they work PERFECTLY i keep them- if they don't after a couple loads i toss'em in the "just plinkin" drawer :cool:
     
  13. kycol

    kycol New Member

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    The mags that came with my RIA's all work perfect and the spares I bought were colt and they work perfect
     
  14. DodgerBlue

    DodgerBlue New Member

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    disco!, On the noisy, or any other way of saying "you sir, are right!"
     
  15. buckhorn_cortez

    buckhorn_cortez New Member

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    1911 magazines are not designed exactly the same. There are differences in springs, follower, and feed lip designs. Some magazines are designed only for ball ammunition, while others will feed either ball or hollow points. A lot of problems with magazines are from people using hollow points with a magazine designed for ball ammunition.

    Also old magazines that have been left loaded often have the feed lips spread which causes double feeds. Several magazine manufacturers have designs that resist spreading. Not all ramps on guns are cut at the correct angle, and some magazines will help overcome an incorrectly cut feed ramp as the follower tilts the bullet to a different position that feeds in that gun.

    Lastly, there are people like me that own multiple 1911's and want one brand of magazine that functions in every gun so you can just grab a number of magazines and go out and shoot without having dedicated magazines for every gun.

    I use Wilson ETMs in every 1911 that I have with no problems with feeding ball or hollow point ammunition. For 10 round magazines, I've tried both Tripp and Chip McCormick and the McCormick magazines work better for a couple of reasons. The main one being the magazine stop on the CMC is a better design and you can't over insert the magazine - you can on a Tripp if you're doing a fast reload and slam the magazine into a gun with a magazine well.

    I could go on....but, the idea that all 1911 magazines are the same just isn't accurate. Go to the Checkmate Industries website and look at the different designs they have for 1911 magazines and you'll see a number of differences from a single manufacturer in follower and feed lip design.
     
  16. danf_fl

    danf_fl Retired

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    I encourage that people purchase the best magazines possible.

    I learned from a few mistakes I made when I thought I knew more and had less money.

    I purchased a few of those "packages" of milsurps. By the time I sorted out which worked and which didn't, I had the same amount money in one milsurp that I would have spent on one quality mag. That left me with a bunch on non-reliable mags that I couldn't even give away. (And I did not save any money.)

    Some may learn from our mistakes, some will take our words as gospel without question, and some will try to pave the same road that we paved.

    IMO, if we purchased only quality products, then maybe, those that produce cheap products will get the hint.
     
  17. Quentin

    Quentin New Member

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    I have Colt and surplus mags I used over the years in my Colt. Recently I got some Mec-Gars that work great. Lately Mec-Gar is all I've purchased for my Hi Power, Luger and 5906, they do it right at a decent price.
     
  18. Overkill0084

    Overkill0084 New Member

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    +1.
    In my CZ, EAA Witness and my .40 s&w1911, they have been excellent.
    I just haven't tried them in .45 for the 1911. I probably should.
     
  19. HOSSFLY

    HOSSFLY New Member

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    Agree, i don't hesitate to buy them BUT i don't recommend them- I don't recommend anyone buy much of anything - I'll give my opinion but let folk buy what they want - Most seem to feel they need the most exspensive product out there to do the job;)