US mfg Cap & ball revolvers....Not Colt or Remington

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  1. Rex in OTZ

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    Whitney Navy 1858

    THE WHITNEY&BEALS "WALKING BEAM" REVOLVER

    Whitney Two-Trigger Percussion Revolver:

    REVOLVER WESSON'S & LEAVITT'S 1837/49

    THE JAMES WARNER 1851 POCKET REVOLVER

    UNION ARMS C°

    Starr

    Peperbox Allan Thurber

    Stocking Co

    Rogers & Spencer

    THE ROBINSON REVOLVER

    Robbins & Lawrence

    S.Pettengill

    Metropolitan Arms Navy model revolver

    Maynard - Massachussets Arms C°

    Manhattan Fire Arms

    Josiah Ells

    Cooper Firearms Mfg

    Continental Arms C° - Norwich CT.

    Butterfield

    Bliss & Goodyear

    Thomas Bacon

    Charles R. Alsop

    Allen and Wheelock 1858

    Allen & Weelock Model 44 Army Hammer center 6 shot

    C.B. Allen Cochran Turret Revolver by C.B. Allen

    http://www.littlegun.info/arme americaine/a a images armes americaine gb.htm
     

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  2. Rex in OTZ

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    Revolvers used by confederate troops during the civil war

    http://www.littlegun.info/arme americaine/revolver confedere/a a revolver confedere gb.htm

    We have on the left, upwards: Joslyn (rare), North&Savage, Savage "Number Eight" and Rogers & Spencer.

    In the box a Dragoon Colt 3rd model. On right-hand side we see Pettingill, Starr simple action, Allen & Wheelock with cartridge with a funny system of ejection, and Starr double action. All gauges 44.

    Below the box there is Savage Navy calibre .36, then two others of which I do not remember any more the name. They were not used all for the army, but they all are of the "military" models.
     

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  3. Rex in OTZ

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    Nichols & Childs Belt revolver manufactured in the late 1830's.
    caliber .34, percussion, 7½" barrel. The total production was limited to about 25. Marked "NICHOLS & CHILDS / PATENT /CONWAY / MASS." on the left side of frame.
    This is one of the earliest American revolvers. Rufus Nichols and Edward Childs patented their revolver 24, April 1838, the 707th patent to be issued by the new U.S. Patent Office after their devastating fire in 1836. The patent covered the mechanical seal between the face of the cylinder and the rear of the barrel.
    Note that there is a raised cone shaped lip around each of the six chambers in the cylinder. There is a corresponding conical dish at the rear of the barrel. When the lever on the left side of the frame is raised, the spring around the cylinder pin forces the cylinder away from the barrel, towards the rear. The cylinder can then be rotated to place a loaded chamber in line with the barrel.
    The nipples are integral and the cylinder was either a five or six round with this revolver having a five round.
    When the lever is pressed down, a cam in the frame forces the cylinder forward forming a gas seal on the breech end of the barrel.
    The metal parts of the revolver are iron except the tiny trigger guard, back strap and blade front sight, which are German silver. The rear sight is adjustable for elevation.
     

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    Revolver by V. G. W. Libeau, New Orleans, 1847.
    No serial #, cal. .34, percussion, 4 11/16" octagonal barrel with dove-tailed front-sight and flush gold inlaid on top flat NEW ORLEANS.
    12-groove-rifling with rapid twist. 1 15/16" five-shot cylinder with unusual individual countersunk spring system, applying pressure an each nipple and allowing incorrect size percussion caps.
    Forward of cylinder periphery over each chamber and each nipple springs engraved sequentially 1 to 5, a feature shared with some of the pre-Colt-Paterson prototypes. As with a Paterson, the cylinder revolves with cocking the hammer "single action
     

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    Nice post, Rex. Thank you.:)
     
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    Austin T. Freeman Army Model Revolver

    Oh thats right I forgot to mention Austin T. Freeman Army Model Revolver.
    Made by Hoard's Armory, Watertown New York, caliber .44 percussion, 6-shot cylinder, 7 1/2-inch round barrel with mortised front sight, on bridge marked FREEMAN'S PAT. DECR 9. 1862 HOARD'S ARMORY, WATERTOWN, N.Y.
    Blued finish with case-hardened hammer and lever, oil-finished saw handle walnut grips.
    Approximately 2,000 of these revolvers manufactured. The solid frame and the recessed nipples in cylinder were prominent marketing features of the Freeman revolvers. Records indicate only about 2000 were produced, hence the rarity, as a Civil War Era Secondary Weapon.
     

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    I find some of these old designs very intresting and some of them look to be decent shooting designs.
     
  8. Rex in OTZ

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    Another pepper box type design that was pushed aside by colt type revolvers.

    Samuel Robbins and Richard Lawrence of Windsor, Vermont, is very interesting for its conception and the way it works.

    The inventors, two less known American gunmakers, realized a very reliable and well-made pocket weapon that became very popular (1851 and 1854) total of about 7,000 of these pepperboxes were manufactured in three variations and two calibers. With this example the barrel hinges down for loading
    but was rapidly pushed away by the massive invasion of Colt revolvers, which in these years were at the top of their success.

    http://www.littlegun.info/arme americaine/artisan r/a robbins and lawrence gb.htm
     

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    Blittkowski .44cal Needle Fire Revolver*

    THIS IS THE ONLY KNOWN specimen of an AMERICAN needle fire revolver. Gustav Adolph Blittkowski of New York City held three patents on guns; five shot revolver was muzzle loading. This is a small revolver for the large cartridge. The needle fire cartridge was a self-contained cartridge with the primer mounted on the base of the bullet. The needle struck through the powder charge and was in that position when the charge exploded. This was the fault with the system as the heat and corrosive effects of the explosion weakened the needle, often causing them to break. The front of the cylinder is covered by a heavy shield to prevent injuries from the multiple discharges, with a hole on the left side for loading. The loading lever, mounted on the front end of the cylinder pin, was just like those found on normal percussion revolvers.

    http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...r.html&usg=AFQjCNF9M4sYHRundZ9Cc8TzgCi58kAXDQ
     

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    The Freeman patent was bought by Rogers & Spencer who were already making the Pettengill. The front half of the Pettengill and the rear half of the Freeman(minus the spur)became the Rogers & Spencer.
     
  11. Rex in OTZ

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    Freeman + Pettengill = Rogers & Spencer

    Some how I think there was a tad more changing done to the grip frame than removing the sawhandle spur.
     

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    Still pretty close. I guess they didn't want it looking too much like a Starr which is what the Freeman grip looks like.
     
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    Whitney Arms Co.

    The Whitney was an all steel percussion revolver of .36 caliber originally made in 1861.

    Whitney's first pistol was a .36 caliber, 6-shot revolver with a 7 1/2 inch barrel and solid frame, similar to the Remington. From 1857 to 1862, Whitney produced more then 33,000 of these pistols. Early production was marked "Eagle Co." on the barrel. Whitney sold these to the military as the Navy Model Percussion Revolver. Nearly half of the production was purchased by the government.


    http://www.american-firearms.com/american-firearms/Manufacturers/START.html
     

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    .44 Joslyn Army revolver

    The Joslyn Army revolver was a 44-caliber, five-shot, side-hammer, single action percussion revolver. Only about 3,000 Joslyn revolvers were manufactured, approximately 500 “First Models” and approximately 2,500 “Second Models”
    During*the Civil War the US Ordnance Department found itself short of military style percussion revolvers, the US Government placed an order with Bruff Brothers of New York (Joslyn’s sales agent) for 225 revolvers. This order was placed in November or December of 1861. Over the next few months the government ordered an additional 875 revolvers, bringing official US military purchases to 1,100 revolvers, which were delivered at the rather exorbitant price of $22.50 each! It appears that the initial order of 225 revolvers was delivered to the Navy Department, and some of the additional revolvers were also delivered to them. These naval guns are very scarce, and when encountered have full US military martial markings, inspectors marks and a small anchor mark on the bottom barrel flat, hidden by the loading lever. A handful of Joslyn’s have also been encountered with USN marks on the bottom of the butt strap or butt cap. The majority of the estimated 3,000 revolver production run was offered for sale on the commercial market but many of these still appear to have found their way onto Civil War battlefields as the result of additional government commercial purchases and individual state purchases. Joslyn Army revolvers were issued to the 16th Illinois, 3rd & 7th Iowa, 7th Kansas, 1st Missouri and 5th & 6th Ohio volunteer cavalry units. This indicates that many more than the 1,100 officially purchased revolvers (of which at least 225 went to the Navy) ended up in military service. This theory is further supported by the fact that an early order for Joslyn revolvers had been placed wit the William Freeman Company of New York. Freeman has operated as both an agent for Joslyn and had also contracted to produce both the revolvers and Joslyn’s carbines at their Worcester, MA factory. Freeman was unable to fulfill this order, or manufacture the guns in a timely fashion. As a result Joslyn cancelled their contract to have Freeman produce any guns, and the 1862 Holt-Ownes Commission (which investigated US governments arms contracts that had been let early in the war) nullified the Freeman contract for Joslyn revolvers, and recommended that any additional Joslyn revolvers that were to be acquired be purchased on the open market, at a price not to exceed $15.00 each. The guns that were procured on the open market were not marked with US inspector marks or cartouches. The 5th & 6th Ohio Volunteer cavalry used their Joslyn revolvers at the Battle of Shiloh (April 6-7, 1862), where the field reports were not positive. In fact, the report of Lt. Charles Murray of the 5th Ohio Cavalry, Company I read in part: We are in possession of but 28 pistols (Joslyn) and they are long since condemned as wholly unfit for service. They are spurious a weapon, made out of cast iron, and one half of the time will neither cock nor revolve…. As a result, most of the US military purchased pistols were removed from active service by the end of 1862 or beginning of 1863 and were subsequently held in reserve at US arsenals until the end of the war. The US Government began disposing of Joslyn revolvers in October of 1865, and a total of 393 revolvers were sold off over the next 36 years. The guns initially sold for between $3.65 and $4.00 each, and by the time the last guns in inventory were sold on June 19, 1901, they were selling for $.16 each. These guns were sold from the Watervliet, Allegheny, Columbus, Washington & New York Arsenals.
     

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    .41 cal Butterfield percussion Army Revolver.

    Butterfield Percussion Army Revolver, single action, five shot,
    .41 caliber pistol is 13.75-inches in length; octagonal barrel is 7-inches and the cylinder is 1-11/16-inches long. It weighs 2 pounds, 10 ounces. The hammer is centrally located. The pistol has a disc priming mechanism the loading aperture just forward of the trigger guard. The two-piece varnished black walnut grips are widely flared at the bottom and have matched numbers. The frame, primer housing, oval trigger guard and grip strap are bronze. The barrel and cylinder were originally blued with the loading lever and hammer being cased hardened.

    Jesse S. Butterfield of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania obtained a patent in September of 1855 for his pellet or "wafer-primer" mechanism. A cylindrical pellet magazine is inserted into the frame by removing the brass thumb screw located forward of the trigger guard. The copper-clad priming pellets are driven upward by a spring-loaded follower and are then thrown forward over the nipple by the hammers action. The hits and crushes the pellet as it comes down on the nipple with force. The intent of the design is to save time whereas one did not have to manually put percussion caps on the nipples or remove them after firing.
    All of Butterfield's revolvers were produced before the spring of 1862. It is unknown how many of Butterfield's revolvers were manufactured. Based on known serial numbers, no more than 800 were made. Some experts put the exact number made at 640 units. None of these revolvers are known to be stamped with U. S. proofs or inspector marks, however it is assumed that many were in service during the Civil War.
     

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