Trouble In Paradise . . . With Reloads . . .

Discussion in 'General Handgun Discussion' started by JW357, Oct 5, 2013.

  1. JW357

    JW357 New Member

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    So, went to the range yesterday with my mom. There's a separate thread for that.

    Just wanted some help. My reloads (9mm) gave some problems. I'm using about 3.8 grains of Bullseye, with a 125 grain lead round nose bullet.

    I had a number of failure to ejects out of my S&W M&P9. No other problems, only failure to ejects. When it happened, the slide basically locked to the front, and I would have to grip and pull it pretty hard to be able to knock the case out of the bbl. The bullet would shoot, but then the problem happened. I had to put a rod in the bbl and knock it out with a hammer. This happened several times.

    My thoughts on this matter:

    1) I'm leaning towards it being an issue with my reloads.
    2) Maybe the extractor on the gun is actually starting to have issues?
    3) Could it possibly be a magazine issue? I have no idea.

    I almost never buy factory rounds for 9mm. There's no point (except for defensive rounds) when I can just reload.

    Anyone have any thoughts?
     
  2. mountainman13

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    I'd check the extractor for issues and the chamber for burrs. Take a look at the fired casings see if anything stands out.
    I'm not a reloader but to me it Sounds like your loads might be a bit hot if you don't find any mechanical issues.
    Almost no possibility that it is the mag.
     

  3. Anna_Purna

    Anna_Purna New Member

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    Do the primers look flattened?
     
  4. Doc3402

    Doc3402 New Member

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    Good answer, and so often overlooked. Shall we keep them in suspense until you get an answer?;)
     
  5. Anna_Purna

    Anna_Purna New Member

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    The suspense is killing me Doc, post away :)
     
  6. Anna_Purna

    Anna_Purna New Member

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    also JW, can you drop the loads into your barrel (when the gun is taken apart) and will they slip in easily or are they already a little tight to begin with?
     
  7. Doc3402

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    A flattened primer indicates a hot load. Pressure is blowing back through the primer flash hole. A lot of times you will also see a raised edge around the firing pin strike mark.

    Take a 9mm case that may have been reloaded a time or two too many, add in a hot load, and you would get exactly the signs described by the OP.

    EDIT> By the way Anna, that was a good catch on your part. Many people will fail to look at that, especially in a firearm that ejects it's brass.
     
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  8. SSGN_Doc

    SSGN_Doc New Member

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    May actually be under powered and not fully cycling but still expanding the case in the chamber and binding things up.
     
  9. rjd3282

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    That's not a hot load. Not according to my manuals. Neither is it at the bottom end. It's possible but not likely that the cases are too long. Unless you got hold of some 9x21 cases. I'd check the extractor for crud.
     
  10. Rick1967

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    Hey JW357 how many rounds since you cleaned that gun? If my gun was locking up like that I would break it down immediately just to make sure there is not some debris stuck between the slide and the frame. Make sure there is not something stuck in the chamber as well. Maybe your reloads...maybe not.
     
  11. Rick1967

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    Another question real quick. No offense. I don't know you. Are you using a taper crimp? Is it possible you over crimped a few rounds? Maybe they dropped further into the chamber than they were supposed to then when fired they expand into the barrel and lock it up? Just grasping at straws with the little bit of info we have.
     
  12. Overkill0084

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    Extractor: Will it extract/cycle non-stuck (non-sticky?) ammo/brass/snap caps by hand? If not, there you go. Is there any damage to the rim of the case indicating that the extractor simply couldn't pull the stuck case?

    Try some factory ammo. You need to establish a baseline. The best way to do that is with factory ammo. If it won't work with factory stuff, then it's a gun problem that needs warranty work.

    However, my suspicion is that your loads might be well toward the light end and your pistol might simply saying it wants more heat. Depending on which data one reads, that load is either .1 of a grain above starting (124 gr) or .4 gr below starting for a 125 gr. cast. (IAW w/ Lyman Cast Bullet Handbook 4th Edition, page 248) Frankly I'd be shocked if there were high pressure indicators.
     
  13. JW357

    JW357 New Member

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    Ok everyone thank you for the responses. I'm sorry about the limited information. Honestly I'm not even sure what to look for or where to begin.

    I took some pictures of a fired case, and a loaded one. Hopefully I addressed your questions / comments in the pictures.



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    For some reason it isn't letting me add the others. I'll try in separate responses.
     
  14. Rick1967

    Rick1967 Active Member

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    Maybe it is just the pic. But that looks like a roll crimp. What kind of dies are you using?
     
  15. JW357

    JW357 New Member

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    Actually I use a sort of ghetto method. I have a Lee handloading kit for .357/.38 that I use to prime, then I use the Hornady powder measure, and a Hornady die for seating the bullet and crimping in one step.

    To answer your earlier question, it had only been less than fifty rounds through the gun since the last cleaning (at the time of shooting, yesterday). And no offense taken, by the way. Perfectly legitimate question that I probably should have addressed in my OP.
     
  16. Rick1967

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    Hey that round is not all the way in the chamber. I am thinking you are forcing it in when the slide slams forward. You have an issue there.
     
  17. JW357

    JW357 New Member

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    I can extract snap caps just fine by racking the slide.

    Out of fifty rounds shot yesterday, this happened with maybe five or so.

    I'm inclined to agree with you guys that these loads might be a bit on the light end. I hope its just that, and not the gun needing warranty work.

    If its worth anything, my Speer # 11 manual says for a 125 grain, .356" diameter round nose bullet, to use 3.5 - 3.8 grains of Bullseye. Granted, Speer 11 is slightly old, but it was valid data at one point, right?
     
  18. JW357

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    So how far in do we want it to go? Please forgive my naiveté, I'm still learning all this stuff.

    And if so, seat the bullet deeper or resize the cases? Honestly resizing sounds like a PITA and its something I was hoping to not get into anytime soon.