Need some "M4" advice

Discussion in 'AR-15 Discussion' started by fragout, Dec 11, 2009.

  1. fragout

    fragout New Member

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    Hello all. Long story short..... I need a reliable M4 clone for my wife. (She had a recent surgery, and cant use her M1A Bush rifle for very long at the range without making her sore). We normally shoot up about a case of 7.62x51mm per month. M1Carbine is fun, but she wants a little more range than the little 30CAR can offer.
    Here is what I'm lookin for .

    1. Flat top rec. ( Will be using a GGnG MAD Buis for irons, along with an optic later)
    2. Std front sight. (Triangle shape)
    3. CAR handgaurds ( Dont need a bunch of rails out there)
    4. As close to a military M4 as legally possible...(parts wise at least)
    5. Lightweight as possible (Heavy/bull bbl not needed)
    6. A complete rifle, or complete upper/lower combo...whichever costs less
    7. Chrome lined bbl preffered. ( M4 bbl indentation not needed as we wont have need of an M203 for this rifle....:p
    8. Needs to be reliable
    9. Collapsible stock that works. (No pinned open types). Also lookin for the type that has the "built in" sling swivel on the top of the stock back by the "buttplate". ....Hope that makes sense.
    10. No more than $ 750.00 if possible. If more, then how much more?
    11. 5.56mm surp/metal case will be shot through it alot, and some hunting loads.....coyote/hogs/etc... (Anything speciall you recomend when it comes to metal cased ammo such as wolf?)
    The rifle will see alot of shooting in it;s life...and in all types of weather. She will also be using it to hunt hogs with later on.....all weather.....

    What do you AR guys think?
     
  2. yesicarry

    yesicarry New Member

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    I think request #10 killed the M4 idea.. I think that 1000 bucks is a more reasonable price for the goodies your lookin for.. At least for something reliable.
     

  3. dog2000tj

    dog2000tj New Member

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  4. fragout

    fragout New Member

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    I have found a few on the net that are in the ballpark as far as price goes.

    Doublestar $650.00 https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/411537957
    DTI $650.00 Local gunshop
    CMMG $700.00 Local

    For 650 bucks, I just might pick up two of them. Looks like Doublestar builds lowers for other companies.

    So what does yall think of these? Should I pay twice as much to get a Colt,Armalite,RRA, BM, or will the companies above build good ones.?
     
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  5. dog2000tj

    dog2000tj New Member

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    Nice find on the Doublestar from Bud's. From the reviews on their website it seems everyone is happy with the product and the service. I have not purchased anything from Bud's but when I was looking at getting an AR last year the people there were very friendly and helpful.

    And no, you do not need to spend double the money to get an enjoyable, accurate and reliable AR. :)
     
  6. FCross7

    FCross7 New Member

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    Only problem with the Doublestar is that it's chambered in .223, so you won't be able to shoot that Surplus 5.56.

    Your best bet, especially when trying to stay within a budget, is probably going to be to build one. You'll get the best deal that way, plus you can get all the things you want, and none of the things you don't.

    -Fred
     
  7. Dillinger

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    I would second that information.

    You can get better quality components and you can bargain shop at the same time.

    Plenty of guys here have built their own SUR's and they have ALL got a much better understanding of the platform and what makes it run.

    $750.00 is possible, but I think the ideal range, right now, is about $850-$900 depending on options.

    I could build you one for $750.00, but it wouldn't be the best quality piece of kit at the end of the day.

    If you need help, shoot me a PM, or post here in the AR section, there is a ton of good build information around these parts.

    JD
     
  8. fragout

    fragout New Member

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    Thanks for the help. (Didnt realize that Doublestar was chambered for 223 only)

    AR's have come along way since I last owned one. Feels as if I'm starting over from scratch. I use the M4/M16 at work quite a bit,but havent really messed with an AR of any kind in over a decade.
     
  9. fragout

    fragout New Member

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    I appreciate it. Since my wife is my #1 shootin buddy, I want to keep her shooting the way she likes, and as much as she likes.
     
  10. slowryde45

    slowryde45 New Member

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    If you can get the CMMG for $700, and it is NOT one of their Bargain Bin specials but a true CMMG, I would take that.

    If that Doublestar is chambered in .223, I might pass on that, even though that is a really good price.

    If you can swing a little bit more:

    Rock River Arms Mid-Length A4 Rifle This Rifle features a 16" Wilson chrome moly mid length barrel and gas system 1:9 twist, 5.56 NATO chamber, 2 stage match trigger and 6 pos stock. Copy of FFL is required for purchase of a complete firearm.

    Our Price: each $869.50 - that is from PK Firearms site.

    Or...from that same site, you can get :
    Sabre Defence 6 Position Lower Half Sabre Defence lower with Rock River Arms lower receiver parts kit installed. New Improved 6 position stock kit installed. Copy of FFL Required for purchase. PK Firearms | Online Store

    Our Price: each $265.00

    Rock River Arms Mid Length A4 Lightweight Complete Upper Rock River Arms 16" lightweight barrel with 5.56 NATO chamber and 1/9 twist rate. Mid-length hand guards and steel front sight tower with bayonet lug. A4 flat top Receiver. PK Firearms | Online Store

    Complete with bolt carrier assembly and forged charging handle.
    Our Price: each $475.00

    Total = $740

    Now you would still have to add BUIS or some type of optics to that. You would be saving a little bit because you would only be paying taxes on the lower, not a complete gun. ;) But...you would have to pay a FFL transfer fee, which you would have had to pay from Bud's, too. Other than that, slat the upper and lower together, push in the two pins and you are almost ready to rock and roll.

    OR....buy pieces that you like and want on this particular gun, and assemble it. For what you are looking for, you could get close to that price point.

    Slo
     
  11. fragout

    fragout New Member

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    According to the reviews about the Doublestar, the lower receiver and bbl are marked 5.56mm.

    If a firearm doesn't have iron sights, then I wont own it. In this case, I'll be using a GGnG MAD flip up rear sight.
     
  12. slowryde45

    slowryde45 New Member

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    I was pretty sure that most of their stuff was 5.56. J & T, is the same company as Doublestar, except that you can buy the same gun in a "KIT" and pick what options you want and assemble it yourself. You would have to buy a lower receiver, but then you control QC on how it all goes together ;)

    J&T 16" DS-4 Kit

    And most of the complete AR's you see out there now, normally sell without the BUIS. Mainly because that is one of the areas that people are picky about, what type of sights or optics they will be using.
     
  13. fragout

    fragout New Member

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    Thanks for the link. I'm having a hard time locating a complete rifle or upper that has a chrome lined bbl, but still meets my budget. I may end up building it after all. ( I have a pet peave when it comes to chrome lined bbl's)