naked/afraid. what would you take?

Discussion in 'Survival & Sustenance Living Forum' started by bildee, Jul 24, 2013.

  1. bildee

    bildee New Member

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    what would you want your partner to have? I'd take a carbon steel cooking pot, and lid, about 3 gallon size, for ease of carry but of a size to boil enough water to do me some good. Before I went, I'd sharpen 1/4 of the lid for use as a knife, with a more blunt "hatchet grind: on another 1/4 of the lid, and any "flinty" type rock could be used to strike sparks from it. The pot lid can serve as a roasting pan, atop of the boiiling water pot.

    I'd want my partner to bring a "tarp" made of a pair of miltary ponchos,(including the neckstrings) velcroed togetherm with a 'liner" made out of Mylar space blanket. Then we could have both individual protection from the elements,, or a common roof, A heat reflector, a way to catch rainwater, insects, fallling seeds, pollen or sap from trees, etc,

    On the Show, they take tremendous risks with their limbs/fingers, by chopping on trees with machetes, (when weakened by dehydration/fatigue, malnourishment), Just to have a lame shelter that bugs, snakes and rain still enter, and which a 20 mph wind will wreck. Most of them lack the sense to immediatly make a fishing spear and defensive club for her and a throwing club and big-game-fighting spear for him, So if they do get a chance at a snake, lizard, fish, or bird, they have no way to take advantage of it. None of them seem to have a clue about edible plants of their assigned areas, either. They are using up a lot of calories and time (on shelter making fire making, trying to avoid thorns) that should be spent on other things, like making cordage, fishhooks, snare, and "box-traps" (woven out of sticks and cordage)

    Why all the bs about making fires with friction? The carbon steel and "flint" spark striker is many times more efficient, especially in jungle conditions. Keeping fires going, drinking bad water, (cause u have no way to boil it) being too cowardly/inept to spear a caiman or a hog, too silly/inept to make a pair of sandals (in country heavily laden with thorns) Sheesh, man! Have a little sense and take proper gear with you and you will suffer 10x less. The men are nuts to not shave their heads and crotch before going into bug-laden areas, not immediately make some sort of headgear against the sun, etc.


    All that energy they are wasting on (lame) ways to make/keep fire and shelter should be spent instead on replenshing used-up calories. They lose an average of 1 lb per day of body weight. That is quite unsustainable, obviously. They are all supposedly 'survival instructors", but I wouldnt let them teach my cub scouts. :) I'd surely smuggle some condoms along. She'll almost certainly need some TLC, but won't risk it over worries about STD's and pregnancy. One condom can contain/protect 6 more condoms, All can be carried inside a body cavity, and all of them can be water containers, if you support them in a sleeve sort of woven item. Some water treatment pills and antibiotics could be smuggled along in those condoms, too. The "only one item" is an artificial bs restiction that's hazardous to your health.

    I've yet to see anybody make even a rough clay "pot', with the mud smeared on a woven basket sort of item. A few of those, and you can store up some boiled water and dried food, and not have to bother cutting all that firewood, staying awake/nearby to tend the fire, etc. Those constant chores mean that you can't travel far enough afield to get adequate food, don't have time to make enough traps, snares, cordage, stone tools, and trotlines to catch (and process) the animal food that's available to you.

    Instead of eating that handful of worns/insests, why not use them as fish and crab bait? Why no bird snares being set? feathers, bird heads and guts make good bait, for some mammals and for fish and crabs/crawdads. Insects that you don't want to eat, like leechers, centipedes,spiders or caterpillers, and some plant parts, can serve just fine as bait, if used properly

    One 150 lb caiman or hog speared/snared means both of you will eat well for 2 weeks. In that 2 weeks you will "score" other things to eat. So being scared of such critters, cause you aint taken 1-2 hours to make some weapons, is just silly. The first couple had to worry about hyenas, but it took them a week to come up with ONE spear. Because they were all panicked about making fire and shelter.-, and because the "man; was too silly/inept to make a pair of sandals.
     
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  2. MisterMcCool

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    I thought you were nuts until I realized you are talking about a television program. :D
     

  3. trip286

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    You actually put thought into smuggling condoms up your ass so you could tap your partner?
     
  4. NC1760

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    Naked & Afraid....

    Thank you... I was waiting for someone here to start a thread on this!!!...
    My hat's off to those who take this challenge... If I could take only one thing...Hmmmmm..... It would have to be my bug-out-bag... :D
    Seriously though.... I wouldn't go. The least I need in a wilderness/survival situation would be footwear, a good knife, a firestarter of some kind, vasaline, a water container of some kind and paracord... so choosing one item.. Forget it.

    Besides... To my last breath in life I am still a card carrying hetero male. Seeing a female naked next to me...no matter WHAT the situation... would be a major distraction (so sue me!!! :p) ... and the butt-shots are probably the ONLY reason I (...and yes, my wife also) watch this show.

    It does seem that most of the time it's the guys who either do something stupid, loose it emotionally or otherwise are complete dicks (pun intended) on that show.... and the women seem to keep it together. And what's up with the stupid unexplained "survival skill" rating system???
     
  5. bildee

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    why not? plenty of other uses for them. One little pissant TV crew does not insurance make when in the wilds of Borneo. I"d have snuck a firestarter and a small knife into the deal, too. Just in case of dire need.
     
  6. danf_fl

    danf_fl Retired

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    Have you noticed the latest commercial (or tv ads) trend?

    The media does its best to portray guys as dipsticks. Even car parts stores commercials.
     
  7. Marthor

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    The 5 Cs of survival:
    1) COVER
    2) CONTAINER
    3) COMBUSTION TOOL
    4) CORDAGE
    5) CUTTING TOOL

    Your item should hit one of these. The guy that picked swimming goggles failed and they paid a price when they couldn't start a fire for several days.

    I'm thinking that cooking pot and a hatchet are the 2 best items with cooking pot being way out front as most important. You can make cover, fire and cordage, but the people in Africa with no coconuts wouldn't have survived a week without their cooking pot.
     
  8. Marthor

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    They did get the rating right with Alison Teal having the highest rating of any of them. For a game that has no prize, they still managed to keep score. :)

    The PSR rating is bogus though. I'd like to see it more specific like fire-making skill, etc.
     
  9. bildee

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    Cooking pots have been made on the spot by many peoples, in many places. Clay pots, baskets with clay linings, hollow limbs, hollows in rocks, etc. You can boil water in a plastic bottle, if you know to suspend it by a string and keep it moving. :) You can line a hole in the ground with leaves/clay and cook in it, by means of dropping heated stones and/or coals into the water. It's been done with the stomach of a large critter, too.

    I picked a CARBON steel cookpot and lid, so that it can be used to strike a spark and so that the lid can be used as a knife/hatchet. stone tools break easily, and not every area has suitable stone for knapping, either. Also, you need a knapping tool and a pad of some sort for your hand. Having one's partner bring the double-poncho with Mylar lining takes a ton of load off of you, along with the cookpot/knife/striker. aluminum pots, stainless steel or titanium won't strike sparks or take (and hold) a cutting edge.
     
  10. NC1760

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    Shoot man... It's been like that for decades!! "Please don't squeeze the Charmin"... "I can't believe I ate the whole thing!!" ... right up to "Honey!!...Code word tomahawk!!"... But you would think at least ONE male could come on this "Naked & Afraid" show and keep a clear eyed objective in check... Guess that's hard to do when your genitalia is free. Bet you won't catch Les Stroud doing this !!
     
  11. Marthor

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    I like the pit and dropping hot stones into it idea. In the Africa episode, I don't think they had the leaves available though to make a lining that would hold any water. I don't think they could have made it any other way than with their cooking pot in the Africa episode.

    In physics in college the professor showed how you can boil a water balloon without it popping. It's because the water transfers the heat away not allowing the rubber to melt or burn up.

    They haven't explained how it works on the show, but I would suspect they wouldn't allow a customized multi-tool. Even if they asked for a Bear Gryllis Survival knife, they probably could get that either, because it's actually 2 items knife & fire starter. I have wondered what if they pick the same item? I think they rig the show so that wouldn't happen. Like maybe having 2 choices in case they both picked fire starter, then they'd get 1 fire starter and somebody's second choice for the second item.
     
  12. therewolf

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    All these "real life" shows are about drama:

    The repo shows

    that don't put away and lock up cars and trucks,

    The real estate flip shows where the house magically cleans

    itself, etc.

    Most of the fun of these shows is the action behind these

    folks not having a clue what they are attempting to do.
     
  13. Kodeman

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    bildee, your first post was spot on, your survival knowledge is abundantly apparent. I too have an overwhelming amount of survival skills that I have honed over a lifetime of wilderness living and backpacking across Europe and the USA in my younger years. It seems the notion of being a "survival instructor" somehow gives you street cred in a real life or death situation is almost laughable. If viewers think this show portrays an actual scenario of what it takes to survive on your own for 21 days they are being duped. It is good entertainment but not something to garner strategies to use in actual real life situations. The survival skill rating system is a joke only to be used by the participants on their resumes to attract more gullible students. The episode where the producers had to intervene and remove the "man" on a stretcher for drinking contaminated water was predictable. In his opening bio, he alluded to himself "as a bit of a badass". Anyone who has the need to represent himself like that is a poser and feels the need to let everyone be aware that he's the real deal. These are the type of people that misrepresent themselves and usually fail at what they attempt, sometimes bringing other innocent people down with them. Just my 2 cents. Kodeman
     
  14. Yunus

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    I've wondered about the items they bring, do they choose from a list of pre-approved items provided by the producers or do they bring their own?

    Being naked in the wilderness is also an artificial restriction, even homeless people have access to clothes. It's part of the game though, no one would watch "Clothed and well stocked". :)
     
  15. NC1760

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    Yes they do... It's a show called "Doomsday Preppers"... :D
     
  16. orangello

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    Gotta be a list; I haven't seen one flamethrower or pump shotgun yet.


    If you got to pick who went with you, I have known some hippie chicks who could make fire with very few tools, quite reliably.
     
  17. WebleyFosbery38

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    I can light fires with my glasses, been there, done that, easy as long as you can get some sunshine! Seen a couple of the episodes, kinda interesting if your looking for semi-mindless entertainment, Im down with that here and there. Im not likely to have to survive in a jungle, a desert or a tropical forest living in Upstate NY but its entertaining all the same. If I did do it, it would have to be for more than a score and then I would probably choose a good axe.
     
  18. locutus

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    A big axe. Cuts and splits. A good weapon. I can pick all the flint I need I need right off o the ground., so it's a great fore starter. I can sharpen the soft steel with a flat rock. Can use the edge for cutting like a knife.

    Can build a shelter, and make spears with it.
     
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  19. clr8ter

    clr8ter New Member

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    Jesus! How much stuff can you fit in your ass?
     
  20. trip286

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    "Liked"......and laughing!