Keep ammo for all guns?

Discussion in 'Survival & Sustenance Living Forum' started by BacktoGats, Jan 6, 2009.

  1. BacktoGats

    BacktoGats New Member

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    I am developing my plans and means for SHTF and this forum has been a great source of info. I have a question on whether to keep ammo for every gun in the house or not. I foresee obvious HD situations but also hunting needs. Would you stock ammo for 3 (different calibers) shotguns? I have 12, 20 and .410 shotguns as well as 2 .22 rifles and a .30-30 rifle I inherited. I also have 2 pistols. Your opinions?
     
  2. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    Well, first off, kudos on getting prepared, that is a great first step.

    Now, for SHTF purposes, I think you will find people on here recommend staying put and not leaving the comfort, warmth and safety of your own domicile should that be a possibility for you. If you don't have to Bug Out, then don't - you have a great chance of staying healthy that way.

    So, with that in mind, I would suggest keeping ammo on hand for the weapons that would be used in the event of a "Homesteading Party".

    Are you going to be doing hunting with all three shotguns? I would say most likely not - so I personally wouldn't keep ammo on hand for all of them, unless you have a large family and would be concerned with equipping everyone with a weapon.

    Personally, we have one shotgun in the house and I have about 100 rounds for it. It's not my first choice for any weapon though - so your mileage may vary.

    Pistol ammo, I believe, you should have about 200-300 rounds per caliber on hand at any time. Obviously don't buy that amount and just let it sit for 30 years, you need to rotate stock, but I have 500 rounds of 9mm for the spousal unit and I have 1,000 rounds of .22lr

    For my .45's, I have considerably more, but I love my .45's and would use them for a lot of purposes should the need arise. Plus I might build myself an AR chambered in .45ACP - so I am heavy in that department. :rolleyes:

    For a dedicated hunting rifle, I would say anywhere from 100 to 200 rounds would be plenty if you have the ability to reload it. If not, then I would push that number higher, depending on your budget and things of that nature.

    I would recommend adding an AR-15 to the home list, because the ammo is universal around the country and you could find more in sporting goods stores, police departments, National Guard Armories, things of that nature. Again, assuming the End of the World happens and you are left scavenging. With a good AR you can defend and hunt off the land, which cuts down on the amount of things you need to carry should the need arise. Again, YMMV.

    One of the key things to factor in is a piece of advice I got from a very good friend who is my gunsmith, mentor, a former SeAL and an all around outdoor type:

    "Most people get hung up on the weapon aspect of that sort of question, but one of the key things to remember is that you need to be able to feed yourself during that time frame. I would suggest 6 to 8 weeks of food, water and medical supplies ( including prescriptions like blood pressure, cholesterol, etc. ) A lot of the food can be canned, so you don’t need to worry about spoiling, and if you know the bad times are coming, fill up your tubs with water before you lose the ability. Plus you can buy 5 gallon water jugs from any water supply place, even the grocery stores sell them here, that you can have on hand to fill up should you need too."

    Again, your personal choices may vary depending on the terrain, where you live in relation to the masses of the big city, what kind of game animals you have near by, or don't, etc. etc. etc.

    JD
     

  3. dunerunner

    dunerunner New Member

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    I didn't see 9mm, .223, or 308 so if the SHTF you are not going to be able to refresh you ammo supply. Therefore, I would stock up and rotate the ammo to keep it fresh. Determine how long you would expect to have to support and defend yourself on your ammo supply and double that estimate. A weapon is useless without amunition.
     
  4. ScottG

    ScottG New Member

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    It's always better to have too much than too little ammo. If you're staying put, the weight of extra ammo isn't in play. You're not going to carry it all, you'll keep most stashed at home. Keep enough .22 on hand for trading.
     
  5. dragunovsks

    dragunovsks New Member

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    I am currently saving ammo for every firearm in the house from my .22 rifle to .40 and .45 cal pistols to my AR and SKS rifles and of course the shotguns. If ammo is gonna go through the roof when NoBama gets sworn in, then I'm gonna hopefully have enough to get me through his term. Also in a SHTF situation where hunting must be done to survive, those hunting seasons won't amount to a hill of beans to me and mine. I won't hisitate to kill a deer with an AR or an SKS or whatever else is laying around with ammo beside it. Hell, if the situaion arises I'll run a deer down with the old Ford.

    I say there's no such thing as too much ammo, something I'm trying to convince the wife of.
     
  6. matt g

    matt g New Member

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    Sheltering in place is always more favorable than running in all but the most dire circumstances.

    If possible, simplify your inventory down to a few common calibers, preferably those in use by military and law enforcement. .45 ACP and 7.65x51 NATO would be my first choices, but 7.62x39, 5.45x39, 9x19 NATO and 5.56x45 NATO would all be good choices as well. These are the most common calibers used world wide, so should the S really ever HTF hard enough to require widespread armed conflict on the part of every man, these are going to be the easiest rounds to scavenge.
     
  7. canebrake

    canebrake New Member

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    How much ammo do you need?
    One more round than the Zombie.

    I have a lake out back of the house and in accessible locations known only to me are a few 450 rd sardine cans of Ruski 7.62. In the same Davy Jones locker is one completely watertight cheap-as-dirt, no frills, foldaway stock AK. When the soon to be appointed nobama homeland security police start their civilian weapon confiscation, Molon labe!

    cane

    I am a son of America.
    First and foremost is the cause of freedom.
    Everything else is collateral.
     
  8. matt g

    matt g New Member

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    I'm not so sure that I'd advertise that fact Cane.
     
  9. canebrake

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    Molon labe; come and take them

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    Besides, here's my guard/attack lizard.

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    matt, do you really think I would release that intel? It's the thought that counts!

    cane

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  10. mwsfarm

    mwsfarm New Member

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    i'm buying for everything

    no sense in not being prepared, plus, may need to help out friends/neighbors, or trade for other items.

    I also agree with dillinger on the food thing- be prepared, or get to know a farmer! there is not even close to enough wildlife to feed many for very long. even here in north dakota, i'm not counting on hunting to feed my family. sure it might work for a while, but there will be tons of urban hunters more desperate for meat than i will be, and if you are roughing it, where will you store it?

    stock up the essentials, an easy source of protein is dry peas, greens or yellows, any dry beans such as pintos, blacks, navy beans, chickpeas, and lentils. by the way, I raise these, and would appreciate you buying some. :)

    they aren't great tasting, but they provide hours of entertainment, and you can hide them in chili, soups, or anything spicy (go mexican). they are also very easy to store, in bulk.

    I am a farmer, and have given this alot of thought myself. I have already established trades with ranchers, grains for meat. also in farm country, we are prepared to defend our livestock and grain storage facilities. there are a lot of guns out here. our walmarts even have empty gun cases. my advice is you will get more food with a white flag and a smile than you ever will through force.

    survival is also going to be much more likely, if SHTF, through groups of people working together. if it gets really bad, i could see providing food/shelter for families if they are willing to protect the food i will be producing. I pray that it doesn't come to this, but i am prepared. if you are not from fly-over country, I feel that this is something you should consider.

    if this SHTF thing doesn't happen, that would be great too. I will have gotten alot of cool toys out of the deal.
     
  11. matt g

    matt g New Member

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    A few rodents or a small dog thrown in a pot with couple pounds of beans/peas, with some wild greens and wild onions or victory garden veggies will not only make a turd, but it'll provide the body with a good dose of protein and iron, and most other essential nutrients.

    I keep a good assortment of dried legumes on hand. They're just the thing for dinner on those cold winter nights. :D
     
  12. biff44

    biff44 New Member

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    Ammo for every gun? Yeah, I would do that. The reason is barter. I could easily trade a gun and 2 boxes of ammo for a doctors visit, prescription drugs, extra food, gas on a trip, etc. A gun alone, especially one with harder to find ammo, is going to be as useful as a brick.

    Another issue, you might need to arm your closest neighbors in case a few truck loads of bad guys show up on your street.
     
  13. bernie

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    Ammo--buying what I can afford, paying particular attention to .22, 12 ga, and 30-06, but buying for all firearms I have. That's just what I'm needing.
    Bought surplus ammo cans, with good lid gaskets.
    Then, went to the local hobby/craft shop and bought bags of bulk dessicant with indicator beads. It's used for drying flowers, and such. Made packets by putting it into coffee filters, then stapling shut. Throw a few in the ammo cans, with the ammo, then shut 'em tight. Didn't realize it, but dessicant is even reusable. Just bake it in the oven on low heat until the indicator beads turn back to the original color; however, some of the dessicant and/or indicator beads are toxic, so if using a food pan for drying, make sure the pan is very clean when done, before using for food again, or just steal it from the wife and keep it in the shop (wouldn't be the first kitchen item that came up missing).

    That's what I'm doing, anyways...don't know if its right or wrong, but it is a wife approved purchase :)
     
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  14. bernie

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    Oh, and I'm thinking for any necessary long-term weapon storage, buy whatever diameter/length PVC pipe I need, glued the ends on with removable plugs, add weapons, ammo, dessicant, then seal the plugs up and place in location of choice. Should work? Any thoughts?
     
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  15. canebrake

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    Great solution and one discussed on another forum by 'Gabe'. It works well for long term storage. Another no-brainer is the sardine tins of ammo. All ready packaged for long term storage.

    With little additional sealing these items can even be stored under water. This type of thinking is not zealous or paranoid in substance, but rather primal in a survivalist way. Kudos for thinking out loud and sharing on the forum.

    cane

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  16. opaww

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    I would buy enough ammo for my primary weapons first then my secondary weapons if time and money allowed. My primary handgun is a .45 auto, my secondary is a 9mm. My primary dreaded black gun is a Cetme .308, and my secondary is a Romak 3 in 7.62x54R. This may change soon sense we are expecting again and I will be enlarging my family to a CAR-15 in 5.56, A 12 gage Mossberg 500 Persuader, and if its triplets a Savage model 10FP in /308

    As of now I keep one spam can, 440 rounds for the Romak 3. I am light on /308 right now because of money restraints. But I do have about 200 rounds of .45 auto and about 350 rounds of 9mm. Mostly because they were bought for me by a friend. Also I have close to a brick of .22lr.

    The way I look at it is even with a light amount of ammo one can always use what you have to acquire more.
     
  17. spittinfire

    spittinfire New Member

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    I try to keep a good supply for all of my guns, I have a 45 ACP, 9mm, 357 mag, 410, two 16 gas, a 12 ga, a .30-06 and a 22. I keep around 150 rounds of SD ammo for each pistol and around 300 or so target rounds for each. I hunt with with the 06 so I have about 150 rounds for it in various weights. Around 50 rounds of buckshot for each gauge, 50 rounds of 4 or 5 shot for the 16 and the 12 for turkey or similar. Got a killer deal on 250 rounds of #6 for my 16s that I use for various birds. I reload for everything but the 410 which I mostly just play around with so I try to keep a good supply of primers, powder, shot and bullets around. This also makes it easy to keep my target ammo available and saves me some $ at the same time. Plus if it really hit the fan I don't know too many people who would want to be hit with a 200gr JFP from my 45 or a 158gr JFP from the mag.
     
  18. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member

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    I am a firm believer that you cannot have too much ammo. Too little, yes.

    I think 200-400 for a bolt gun is likely plenty
    Self loaders should have 1000+ (10,000 better)
    Handgun- 400/gun should be enough for long term.
    Shotgun- 200-300 mixture of buckshot/slugs and a like amount of birdshot in various shot sizes for different foraging needs

    I also stock some ammo for calibers I do not have guns in. I figure I may find a gun in that caliber or need to equip a compatriot.

    I do not anticipate bartering with any ammo that is likely to be used against me. .22lr and birdshot could be bartered off but not .30-06.

    Having a few boxes of .243, .7mm RM, .300 RM, .30-30, .30 carbine etc could be handy.
     
  19. CA357

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    I have downsized and consolidated calibers for ease of supply.

    Handguns: 9mm, .38/357 and .45 ACP.

    Rifles: .22LR, .223, .308

    Shotgun: 12ga.

    In .22LR, I keep an assortment of weights in hollow points and ball.

    I have assorted FMJ and hollowpoint ammo for the handguns.

    I have stocked mostly XM193 in .223.

    .308 is Aussie, South African and Portuguese milsurp.

    12ga. stock is 00 Buck, slugs, #4 and #7 shot

    That's still a fair amount of ammo, but very manageable to procure and store.

    We have around three months or more of food and other supplies stored. I watch for sales and stock up when a good deal comes along. It's relatively inexpensive to accumulate food and supplies if you buy stuff a bit at a time, but on a regular basis.

    Being able to defend yourself and yours is critical, but if you're starving, it won't much matter. You can't eat bullets.

    Think holistically. Have a plan and if you haven't started yet, it's time.
     
  20. opaww

    opaww New Member

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    If one has enough canned goods and dry goods stored you can always use it as barter goods for other things like more ammo...say for 20 rounds of 7.62x51 you get a can of pork and beans