Is it a great deal?

Discussion in 'AR-15 Discussion' started by Cazper23, Apr 9, 2012.

  1. Cazper23

    Cazper23 New Member

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    I found an ar15 made by dpms for 600$ brand new at a lgs. No optics or iron sights but my father inlaw has a set of irons I can use till I get optics... what does everyone think should I get it or continue saving. This will be my first ar and I just plan on plinking with it once or twice a month..
     
  2. BenLuby

    BenLuby New Member

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    It would really depend on a few things. Your budget. Do you plan on shooting only brass case ammunition, ranges you're shooting at, and is it just for plinking or for home defense as well?
     

  3. Tackleberry1

    Tackleberry1 New Member

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    Brace yourself...no less than a dozen members WILL endevor to tell you that you can build a better quality AR for 600. They will also tell you that DPMS are on the lower end of the quality spectrum.

    Perhaps they are but if it's for casual plinking I'd say it's plenty well built for your purpose. A couple of things I'd look for are:
    1. Chrome lined barrel. This is a must for reliability in the AR PLATFORM. If it's not a chrome or chrome lined barrel then pass.
    2. Forward Assist. There a few DPMS models with no forward assist. I think there called "slick side" or "smooth side" because they lack the bump out on the starboard side for the forward assist and brass deflector. If this is missing, pass.
    3. Milled receivers. Don't know about DPMS but there are folks offering AR variants with polymer upper and or lower receivers. If there not both milled aluminum then pass.

    If the rifle meets items 1 through 3 above, then 600 is not a bad price but it's not fantastic either. I recently saw an add at one of my local chain dealers for a Smith & Wesson M&P 15 for 650.

    Good luck,

    Tack
     
  4. BenLuby

    BenLuby New Member

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    Not to be insulting, as Tack is exactly right, but if you don't know what a forward assist is?

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    You may never need it. But then again...you just might.
     
  5. jjfuller1

    jjfuller1 New Member

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    tack with the number one answer.. thats probly the best advice you can get
     
  6. AgentTikki

    AgentTikki New Member

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    I would argue that:

    If you are only planning on running a couple hundred rounds a month, chrome lining is not really necessary. Its best served for high round count, shooting. If you like doing mag dumps, full auto rapid fire type shooting, a chrome lined CHF barrel would best suit your needs.

    I use a forward assist almost every time I'm at the range. I like to chamber / safety check my rifles and use it to re-seat the round if my Ar's hot.

    All metal recievers are milled to some degree or another, but forged units are usually stronger milled billet units. I'd shy away from plastic uppers, save for maybe a cheap lightweight .22lr build. Plastic lowers are interesting, but I would not use them for a high round count, serious roles (duty/defense)
     
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  7. Quentin

    Quentin New Member

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    Probably ok for light use but in the low end I'd go for the S&W Sport instead. Remember almost everyone upgrades quite a bit in the first year especially. It's easy to double the price of a $600 AR and many later realize they could have done better buying a high quality rifle that already has the stuff you'll figure out you need. Problem with this? Well it means you've got to research now and become a SME before buying anything.
     
  8. my4angesl

    my4angesl New Member

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    I have an M&P 15 and love it I only paid $700 and with a few add on accessories you can't ask for more and so far no issues with it, well one thing it don't like a certain brand of ammo "wolf" silver casing.
     
  9. lbwar15

    lbwar15 New Member

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    I also have an m&p 15. I got about $1400 in it. I love it only bad thang about it is my wife stays mad at me bc I can't put it down. She says I can't go a day without talking about it or guns at all for that mater and she is right. I thank the longest I have went without shooting it when im home is 3 days.
     
  10. Cazper23

    Cazper23 New Member

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    It had the forward assist but didnt have the chrome liner in barrel. I'm a slow shooter when I shoot my father inlaws ar. But thats also because we shoot at a range that requires us to have atleast 2 seconds between each shot... The upper from what I could tell was metal too. My budget is me saving 50$ a week and im at 400 now.
     
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  11. BenLuby

    BenLuby New Member

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    It's the lower that may be polymer, not the upper.
     
  12. billt

    billt New Member

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    Do you know the model of rifle? Is it the Oracle or Sportical?
     
  13. Tackleberry1

    Tackleberry1 New Member

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  14. billt

    billt New Member

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    That's a fair price for that gun.
     
  15. yingpin

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    Cazpers,

    I actually purchased that same rifle about two months ago for nearly the same price ($625) at a local shop. I recently became very interested in AR's and wanted nothing more than an entry level gun. I looked at over 15 shops locally and learned a lot about different rifles, specs, and options. I have no business buying a $1K rifle at this point in my life and knew that there were higher quality options available and ultimately will purchase another one in a few years if the money is there and plan on purchasing a higher quality model. I read a lot of folks who bad mouthed this DPMS rifle with some or no personal experience to support it but ultimately the price was right (for me) and for what I wanted it for.

    I plan on shooting it very little and have yet to even run a round through it because I dont have that kind of time. I will use it to learn about AR's, find out what I like and dont like, and enjoy it for what it is. It is a flat top so you have to put optics on it to shoot it and I needed room in the budget for that, money for ammo, mags (it did not come with mags because you cannot purchase 30 round mags in MD).

    Here is my breakdown right now and I have not fired a round through it;
    Rifle = $625
    (2) Magpul PMAGS $50
    PA Micro dot with mount - $100
    Magpul front and rear BUIS - $125 (I wanted fixed sights)
    Midway Industries Gen2 two piece drop in Quad Rail - $125

    Any AR is going to cost you a lot more money than just the rifle no matter how you build it so I knew that I had to determine my overal budget and go from there.

    I cannot comment on the performance of the rifle but I am hoping that it is a positive experience. There is always somehting better, but you get what you pay for, and you pay for what you can afford.

    It is a fun addiction. From what I can tell the guys on this forum are a good time as wel and know a lot more than I do.

    I know that everyone likes pics so here is where I am now.
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  16. fsted2a

    fsted2a New Member

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    If you get a teir 1 gun and it has no forward assist, it may be that the manufacturer is confident enough in their product to beleive you won't need it. Mine doesn't.:)
    But getting back to the point at hand, I would shop around. I would also save for a better AR.
     
  17. fsted2a

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  18. billt

    billt New Member

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    yingpin,

    Did you paint the quad rail, or did it come that color? The pic is too light to tell if there are markings on the rails.