I have a dilemma!

Discussion in 'General Rifle Discussion' started by gjkorf1962, Aug 14, 2014.

  1. gjkorf1962

    gjkorf1962 New Member

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    There are 2 gun shops in town, One has a nice mosin m 38 with strong rifleing and correct stock that I'm really drawn to. Since I already have a 91/30 and a nice m44 it would be a great addition to the family, The other has a near mint 1916 Spanish Mauser in .308 that's calling my name. Both are around $250

    I love my Mosins but the 308 would be much easier to find hunting ammo for off the shelf where I live

    On the other hand, The guy with the Mauser also has spam cans of 7.62x 54 for $120 out the door so practice ammo is much cheaper for the Mosins.

    Decisions, decisions!
     
  2. PocketsRN

    PocketsRN New Member

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    Go for the mosin. If you like the classics and want a Mauser, find one with the original chambering. As far as I'm concerned, that "near mint" thing goes right out the window with the calibre conversion. If it's the 308 you really want, just buy a modern 308 rifle
     

  3. gjkorf1962

    gjkorf1962 New Member

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    The m38 does handle a lot nicer than my m44 and you can't have too many mosins, but damn that Mauser looks nice!:)
     
  4. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

    The price is rather......steep for an M38. *cough*

    DO check muzzle for wear- many have been counterbored to remove eroded rifling at the muzzle.
     
  5. gjkorf1962

    gjkorf1962 New Member

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    I thought the price was a bit steep for both guns but by the time you pay shipping and ffl fees they don't sound to bad.

    I will look the m38 over really well, The reason i'm drawn to it is it is the first one I've seen locally for sale in many years, and I may be able to talk him down a bit in price.
     
  6. PocketsRN

    PocketsRN New Member

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    Ya know, you can always sell a kid or somethin and get 'em both
     
  7. gjkorf1962

    gjkorf1962 New Member

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    It would have to be a grandkid, ............Maybe I can sweet talk my daughter:)
     
  8. PocketsRN

    PocketsRN New Member

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    It's for a good cause. I'm sure she'll go for it
     
  9. Rex in OTZ

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    7.62x51 vs. .308Win

    For the M93 Mauser type rifles.

    Mid 20th century military swapped over to the robust M98 Mauser action for a reason.
    if you pick up the M1916 Spanish Mauser research it before shooting .308 Winchester out of it, its very close to the same bolt used in the 1891 Argentine Mauser which its warned never to chamber for .308 Winchester.
    if you do pick up one of these handy little rifles id suggest using 7.62x51 ammo. Think 7.65 Arg or .303 Brit if hand loading for it.

    http://masterton.us/Spanmauhome

    http://curioandrelicfirearmsforum.yuku.com/topic/6126/SPANISH-MAUSER-HISTORY-AND-A-CAUTION?page=1

    http://forums.thecmp.org/archive/index.php/t-84605.html
     
    Last edited: Aug 15, 2014
  10. gjkorf1962

    gjkorf1962 New Member

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    Rex,
    Thanks for the links they have some good info in them.
    I've done some research on these and there is a LOT... of conflicting information out there.

    I did find an older guns and ammo piece that actually has good things to say about them.

    I still haven't decided what I'm going to buy yet. But for me half the fun is in the research.
     

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  11. kfox75

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    Pockets, it is actually a 7.62 X 51 MM. Not a .308. .308 has higher pressures than the 7.62 NATO round. It would also count as an original in the 7.62 chambering because it was done by the arsenal, not a commercial smith. They are refered to as Pattern 2s.

    OP, whichever you decide, you should wind up with a decant rifle. For me it would be an easy choice (I already have a 1916 1st pattern), but either way you decide, see if you can talk the shop owner down in price a little. it never hurts to try.
     
  12. sandog

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    Good advice. A friend recently bought a Mosin. I measured the bore at the muzzle at .318. He has had it out a few times to shoot it and is lucky to get 5-6 inch groups at 100 yards. That is with a scope, mounted using a scout mount that replaces the rear sight. I suggested he have a few inches cut off the barrel as it appears to have had excessive wear at the muzzle. He has already replaced the military wood stock with a fiberglass "sporter" stock, so he's considering it.
     
  13. Rex in OTZ

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    fighting the urge

    I started my milsurp owning with old carcano carbine (still have one though diffrent 7.62x39 version) next 5 were Finnish surplus mosins and ex PLA typ 53, then i downsized the closet of surplus metric clunkers and wanted somthing more domesticated, in comes the supposed '.308' turns into buying a 7.62 rechamberd MAS49/56, after some reading up on the nifty chunk of machined steel i find it is best to only fire 7.62 NATO from its 10 box mag, time passes and i pass through the local gun shop to buy ammo and walk away with a free early 70's era Argentine 1891(◆T) mauser sporter, the mag would fit a .308 but it was strongly worded not to even think doing such a modification, the next was a Spanish 1916 brought over by a old friend to repay for help with a troubling firearms endevor.
    So its funny how things turn out.
     
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  14. gjkorf1962

    gjkorf1962 New Member

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    Well it's been a while since I last posted,
    Just wanted to let ya'all know that I went ahead and got the Mauser.
    I ended up giving $200 for it and the guy tossed in 50 rounds of Aussie surplus ammo. the stock was very rough but It cleaned up nicely and shoots great!
    I also have ran about 30 rounds of federal NATO rounds through it with no problems, checking each case upon ejection and have found no abnormality.

    I replaced the trigger spring with a lighter one and have to admit that the little gun has one of the best two stage triggers I have ever seen on a milsurp weapon.

    I have also replaced the rear sight with a cheap snap in Williams peep sighted in at about 4 inches high at 50 yards which puts it almost dead on at 300 yds

    I think I like it:)
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  15. TLuker

    TLuker New Member

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    I would have gone with the Mauser myself! Good choice. ;)