Bittet upper question??

Discussion in 'AR-15 Discussion' started by Copeman60, Dec 13, 2013.

  1. Copeman60

    Copeman60 New Member

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    My question of the day. I have a spikes tactical lower an now im in need of a upper but I was wondering about the bittet uppers an how they fit on standard ar15 lowers. I have no experience with bittets upper/lowers so is it even worth putting a bittet upper on a standard lower?? Thanks

    Dan
     
  2. JoshH

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    They fit just fine, the spikes billet gen2 upper cut to fit a Magpul BADD lever, some others like the Seekins won't accept it. I do think they look a little cooler on the billet lower but still cool on the standard lower.
     

  3. JoshH

    JoshH New Member

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    Here's the fit.
     

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  4. sensei9

    sensei9 New Member

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    Just don't understand the need for a billet upper. Standard uppers should work fine. Bought one from this guy yesterday, http://www.tacticalambush.com/
    Looks good, has a keyhole mark on the left side not too crazy about the logos, but nothing I can live with. At the same time, each to their own.
     

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  5. Copeman60

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    That's looks badass!! How much did that upper cost ya? Is there any play between the upper an lower. Some guys clam that there is play between the two.
     
  6. Copeman60

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    Im have a standard upper on my stag build an I have experience with the ar platform just not the bittets. Yes they do work fine im in the market for something different an more durable.
     
  7. sweeper22

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    Receivers (upper and lower) matter mostly in terms of personal pride and 'cool' points. The builder can take joy in them from a personal pride standpoint, and they may pay dividends if you sell a well put together rifle that wears the right names down the line.

    The truth is, your receivers aren't under a great deal of stress. They're among the less consequential parts that go into a good build. But since we seem to live in a 'perception is reality' world, the names on receivers often imply something about the build quality (whether true or not). 'Street-Cred', if you will. To some degree, your receivers will wear your rifle's 'hood ornament'...whether it's indicative of the overall quality or not.

    I generally build for quality, functionality, a sound scheme, and affordability. Whether I eventually keep or sell, I let the build quality speak for itself. I'm a big fan of Noveske lowers topped with PSA or BCM uppers. It's just a recipe that's treated me well, and I think those who have bought my builds have also benefited from that strategy. That tends to result in a great functioning/looking/marketable rifle in my experience, that can be assembled at a fair price.

    Receivers often matter minimally in actual quality, but spending for the right one on a certain rifle can make perfect sense. There's nothing wrong with paying just a little more to get something you'll enjoy marginally more and take great pride in. $50 more for something that matters to you...that you may own and take great pride in for the next 5, 10, 25 years...why not? That seems like a bargain to me. YMMV.
     
  8. Copeman60

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    You seem like u know what your talking about so let me tell u what I had in mind for my next build. Im still on the fence about alot of parts so it won't be spot on. Im starting with a spikes lower. For the upper im thinking I wanna go with some bittet brand but im not to that point yet. I have a stag upper on my 16in build an no problems so far so I may just stick with stag for the upper. For the barrel I definitely want a 18 or 20'' either in chrome lined or ss. Maybe a pof heat eliminater to keep the barrel heat more controled. Maybe a stage two trigger or I might safe some $$$ an go with the jp enterprises trigger springs that takes 2 pounds off the standern trigger.. Definitely what a chrome bolt carrier. A heavy buffer from spikes tactical. That's where im at as of now. Please share your knowledge an opinions on this build.. Thank you
     
  9. clr8ter

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    Not sure why people are so hung up on billet parts. I'd have to say it's just a marketing ploy to get you to spend more. I would also like to see the manufacturing cost difference between a billet, and forged part. I wonder if everybody even knows what billet means……From my understanding; there is forged, billet, and cast. The forged and cast are finished on a CNC machining center, the billet is a solid chunk of metal that was done on that machine completely. Nothing wrong with cast or forged. A lot of heavy duty tools are forged. (Craftsman wrenches, axes…) So I am not concerned with which one it is. I'd have to agree with Sweeper22 to a point. If spending a little more for a NAME will get you a better return when you sell, that MIGHT be worth it. For me, personally, I would shop by feature. I like it to state the specific caliber, and to actually say "Fire", an "Safe". Not into Zombie roll marks, either.
     
  10. Copeman60

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    Ok let me rephrase the question. What advantages does the bittet upper have over the standard ar upper. If there is no advantages then why is the bittet taking over the standard ar platform??
     
  11. Triumphman

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    Basically the difference between Forged and Billet, is how nice looking the exterior metal look to the observer. Forged is Alloy Metals melted into a mold, whereas Billet is Alloy Metals in a block form that is CNC'd out to the form of the object wanted.

    Both Billet/Forged Receivers still need to be Heat Treated after processing to a certain temperature to gain the strength needed to become what is Mil-Spec or any other hardness that Manufacturer wants for their Product. Billet can't be considered Mil-Spec--even if hardened/machined and coated to Mil-Specs, due to the way it's Manufactured. It's considered Custom.

    Where Billet plays in all this, is that the Consumer can get a very highly-refined exterior finished product, and can also have different Lower/Upper Receiver Shapes that many People now see from the Mag Wells/Trigger Guards/Octagone Uppers, and tighter tolerances that the Machinist can give to the Product, but you pay a price for this upgrade.
     
  12. JoshH

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    The upper was $179, I got a good deal so you might pay a bit more IF you can find it. The fit seems pretty tight. I don't have my parts kit installed yet so it's hard to judge but by just looking at it the tolerances appear nice and snug.
     
  13. clr8ter

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    A casting comes from a mold, not a forging, I think. I also think that you can easily get the same finish from forging/casting/billet. It's more a matter of machining quality. (Assuming you start with a quality casting or forging.)

    The Mil-Spec says specifically that it can't be from billet?
     
  14. monteros

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    BiLLet :) good thread
     
  15. dwmiller

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    Billet does have a use. Ultra high precision(0.5-0.1 moa) varmit rifles are pretty much all billet. Minute of prarrie rat (3" diameter target) at 5-700 yards requires this kind of accuracy! ;)

    The extra material makes a marginally stiffer reciever if its designed right. This translates into more consistent bolt lockup and smaller group sizes.

    Everything else has to be right (perfect) on the rifle/ammo/marksman combo to even notice this small of a difference. For 99.9% of shooters billet is only useful for the coolness factor. ;)
     
  16. Copeman60

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    I don't know if the extra $$ is worth getting one if ill never see a differences
     
  17. dwmiller

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    The main difference for most shooters IS the cool factor. A close second is the resale is a little higher because billet is percieved to be " better". Roll marks and company logos, the same thing. Mainly perception.

    If these don't matter to you stick with a regular forged or cast milspec upper. Your AR will function just fine, and you'll save some money you can use elsewhere on the gun. BCG, quality barrel and optics make much more of a difference for most people than billet ever will. A good trigger is probably the most important "accuracy" upgrade you can make! Money spent there is much more noticeable than that spent on billet parts. ;)

    If your still interested Seekins Precision, Vltor and Mega Arms are the three billet companies I've had the best luck with over the years. All are very high quality products. All are "pricey" options. Doing your homework here before plunking down hard earned bucks is the best build time you can spend. Hope this helps.
     
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