AR Parts

Discussion in 'AR-15 Discussion' started by cpttango30, Dec 7, 2009.

  1. cpttango30

    cpttango30 New Member

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    Ok So I think I am going to get off my butt and build me an AR.

    I want a flattop 20" barrel SS prefered but doesn't have to be.

    1. What would be a good qulity lower priced lower for this.

    2. What upper sould I go for or should I get a prebuilt upper with a flat top and 20" barrel.

    3. I don't really want a 223 a 243 would be nice. Can I get one?

    4. Where do you guys get your AR parts.

    5. Think I want an adjustable stock so PVT Tango can go hoggin with me maybe.

    6. I want a good trigger what would that be?

    I know the AR but then I don't know the ar all the same. What Tango you got me so confused. Well I know how to work on one as I was a unit armour for a while in the Army. I mean it's an AR a monkey with a wrench and screwdriver can take care of the thing. I think I know just about what Parts I would need. A lower and a parts kit, upper, barrel, gas tube, bolt and carrier, charging handle, hand guard, stock, pistol grip mags and ammo lots of ammo.
     
  2. slowryde45

    slowryde45 New Member

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    You might already know, but DPMS sells one complete with the following in it, and at $1499.

    So if you want to do it in parts, about what price range were you looking to keep it in? That would give us a better idea of what parts we can suggest, without trying to sell you a Cadillac ;)

    Slo




    Panther™ LR-243L
    Model: RFLR-243L [​IMG]

    Sale Price: $1,499.00

    Availability: Unavailable Online
    Due to the nature of this item, it is unavailable for purchase online except by FFL holders on file with DPMS.
    Description

    Barrel:

    •18" Length
    •416 Stainless Steel lightweight barrel
    •6 grooves, right-hand 1x10 twist, button rifled
    •Custom Miculek Compensator
    •Lightweight Gas Block

    Chamber:

    •.243 Winchester

    Method of Operation:

    •Gas operated rotating bolt

    Bolt & Carrier:

    •8620 steel bolt carrier, heat treated and plated per Mil Spec
    •Phosphated steel bolt, heat treated and plated per Mil Spec

    Sights:

    •None (mounting optics only)

    Weight:

    •Empty – 7.99 lbs.

    Length:

    •39 1/8"
    Upper Receiver:

    •A3-Style Flattop
    •Lightweight Upper, Extruded from 6066-T6 aluminum
    •Hard coat anodized per Mil Spec and Teflon® coated black
    •Dust cover
    •Shell deflector and forward assist machined as one unit
    •Right hand ejection

    Lower Receiver:

    •Milled from a solid billet of 6061-T6 aluminum
    •Hard coat anodized per Mil Spec and Teflon® coated black
    •Integral trigger guard
    •Aluminum magazine release button
    •JP Adjustable Trigger group (early 2008 model)
    •Two Stage Trigger (late 2008 - Current model)

    Stock:

    •Skeletonized A2 Black Zytel Mil Spec w/trap door assembly

    Handguards:

    •Carbon Fiber Free Float Tube w/bipod stud

    Each Rifle comes with a 4 round and a 19 round magazine, 1-Nylon Web Sling, and 1-Cleaning Kit

    Scope Not Included

    PS - the bold and red highlights were for the benefit of the naysayers out there ;)
     

  3. Gatekeeper

    Gatekeeper New Member

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    Spikes Tactical still running specials on stripped lowers. Haven't seen any bad reviews. Dont have one personally, posted it here before cause it seemed like a great deal @ 50% off.
    I think Markerdown ordered one a while back.
    SL-15 stripped rifle lower with safe/semi/auto bullet markings [SAR Stripped] - $89.95 : Spikes Tactical
    [​IMG]
    There are different selector/color options available in case ya dont like the red. They also have complete lowers on special as well.
    Just thought I'd throw it back up here if your looking for a deal---Gate

    Edit my bad didn't see you wanted a .243. This lower is 5.56 length
     
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  4. JMB1

    JMB1 New Member

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    If your looking for something with a little more kick check out the 6.8 spc round. (68forums.com)
     
  5. Dillinger

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    1. Any commercially available lower will be fine as long as it's not some cheap piece of pot metal crap from China or something. Forged receivers cost more, and they are "better" in the sense that they are not as fragile, but as far as accuracy, you will never see a difference in function as long as you use good parts.

    2. & 3. - Building one would be better, especially if you are going to go wildcatt like the .243, but there are several companies that offer pre-built ones. The only thing to watch out for is Colt is known to have Large Pin sets ( .171 I think ). Most all other AR's have the small pins ( .153 or .153 ), so they are not compatible. Otherwise, you can mix and match uppers and lowers all day....

    4. - Depends on what I am looking for. I do a lot of shopping on line, but Brownell's and Midway usually have what we need. Sometimes I will purchase specific parts for customers from Larue Tactical, but my favorite company on the semi cheap is Yankee Hill Machine. There stuff is top notch and it's not much more expensive than the rest of the stuff that is out there, it's just better.

    5. - Magpul makes a sweet, rock solid, 6 position adajustable stock. It's a little more money they the other ones out there, but this one is a great piece of kit. CTR Carbine Stock, Commercial Version [MAG311] - $97.00 : ++ Magpul Industries ++

    6. - Hands down. DO NOT let someone talk you into a Gieselle or other high priced trigger for your AR. Get the RRA 2-Stage Trigger. It's as good as gold. Slowrdy45 knows of a place that sells a knock oversion of the RRA that is just as good, but saves yuo like $30. What was that address Slo??

    Good luck! PM if you get stuck!

    JD
     
  6. slowryde45

    slowryde45 New Member

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    From the prices I've been seeing, the complete rifle is starting to look like a deal

    For instance:

    a DPMS .243 20" heavy barrel MSRP = $299.95 (might be able to find a lower priced unit)

    Lower Receiver - DPMS LR-308 Lower Receiver - STRIPPED = $350.00

    DPMS . .308 Lower Parts Kit = $70.00

    DPMS .308 A3 Flat Top Upper Assembled
    MSRP Price: $209.95 Sale price = $165.00

    DPMS .308 Bolt Carrier Assembly Chrome = $250.00
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    for a grand total of $1134.95

    Without any furniture, sights, etc. :eek: Thats coming from various vendors, with the best prices I could find today. So if you add in your stock, grips, forearm, sights, and anything else...I think you will be over the price of their complete rifle.

    But then again, you won't have the satisfaction of building it, if you buy it complete. That's the thing with the .308 platform, the prices are still up there, in comparison to doing something in .556/.223. I'll keep looking to see if there is anything else available.

    This site is pretty helpful, too: http://308ar.com/index.html

    Slo
     
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  7. slowryde45

    slowryde45 New Member

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    JD,

    there are a couple place for triggers, I think the RRA knock-off you might be thinking of is from AR15sales.com http://ar15sa.fatcow.com/store/miscparts.html - also noted that his RRA triggers have gone up to $99, they used to be $88 :eek:

    Keep in mind that would be for an AR15, not an AR10. I'm still looking to see if Pete has anything for the .308 platform ;)

    SLo

    Timney AR-10 Competition 4 lbs pull
    $234.95: TTAR10C.
     
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  8. cpttango30

    cpttango30 New Member

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    I don't need the satifaction of building just figured I could sneek it past the wife easier cause I could ship the parts to work (LOL shipping parts to an elementary school) Just don't open them there. Kind of hard to sneek a full sized ar past the wife in to the safe.
     
  9. ktmboyz

    ktmboyz New Member

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    Its also alot easier to choke down at a few hundred bucks a whack than dropping 1K + at once
     
  10. slowryde45

    slowryde45 New Member

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    Here's a guy that does some excellent trigger work.

    Bill Springfield Triggers. Bill Springfield - www.TriggerWork.net

    And I agree, it's alot easier to sneek the parts in. I just got some parts that I ordered a month and a half ago, just showed up today :rolleyes:

    Heck, I ordered them when I was still EMPLOYED...so I guess I'll tell the wife that my Christmas gifts came early...and best part is, she didn't have to shop or spend $$'s for them. ;)

    As for the sneaking...that's what those two pins (takedown pins) are for. So you can sneak the upper and lower in separately :D

    Slo
     
  11. cpttango30

    cpttango30 New Member

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    it's a little easier for me as my wife works nights so I can hide them in the car till she goes to work and kids go to bed then bring them.
     
  12. markerdown

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    +1 on the stripped lower from Spikes. I got the SL15 for $89.95 thanks to a tip from Gatekeeper

    ++1 on Bill Springfield for trigger work. He did my PTR91. Awesome!

    Gonna build this one with a wylde barrel complete upper from RRA.

    Picked up a DMPS LPK from Bravo co a while back. It was the least expensive and in stock when I was looking. Once the upper arrives, she's a pin together :).........markerdown

    " hide them in the car till she goes to work and kids go to bed then bring them" ha ha ha... I resemble that remark :)
     
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  13. cpttango30

    cpttango30 New Member

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    If I want a 243 can it be a 15 or does it have to be a 10?

    I can always do a 6x45 (6-223) It wouldn't be a long range hogger but I am sure it would make a mess of one out to 250 yards.
     
  14. Gatekeeper

    Gatekeeper New Member

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    243win is a 308Win parent case. Need an ar-10.
    On an AR-15 you could do a 6.5 Grendel (.264), 6.8spc (.277) or maybe 6mm AR Home Page(.243)
     
  15. slowryde45

    slowryde45 New Member

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    Like Gate said, it will have to be on a 10 lower and upper. have you considered the 6.8 spc or 6.5 Grendel? the Grendel will have more punch and distance. Just another option.

    Slo

    Oops...just saw that Gate just said that, too. Sorry...getting late.
     
  16. FCross7

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  17. cpttango30

    cpttango30 New Member

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    That 6.5 Grendel sounds good but I could also use a 6ppc as the 6.5g is basicley a 6.5ppc.

    Hummmmmmmm Maybe that grendel sounds like the ticket. Longer range for me to pull the amazing hog shots it would be a 6.5mm so I could also deer hunt with it. hummmmmmmmmm It is sounding promising.
     
  18. slowryde45

    slowryde45 New Member

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    Best part is, most of the parts would also be a lot cheaper than trying to do it on the AR10 platform. I was really torn between the 6.8SPC and the 6.5 Grendel. I only went with the 6.8 because it was right there in front of me, and they weren't sure when they were going to get a Grendel in. Both have their pros and cons, I'm sure I'll end up picking up a Grendel, too.

    I've been eyeing the conversions like the .243 and .260 for my .308. But prices are still a bit steep for me. Specially now :( I thought about trying to sell a few pieces so I could pick up parts for the conversions. But every time I get ready to pick out something to sell...I start remembering all the good times I had with it, and put it back in the safe :eek: LOL...oh well, as soon as I get my feet back on the ground with a new job, I'll start buying the toys again.

    Slo
     
  19. slowryde45

    slowryde45 New Member

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    Tango,

    Check out this link:

    J&T Kits in other Calibers

    It's for J&T Distrib, same folks who put out the DoubleStar AR's. You can piece together a Kit in 6.5 Grendel or 6.8 SPC. Everything except the lower, which would be any flavor of AR15 lower you want.

    Now mind you, since it says J & T, and not any brand name off the infamous M4 Chart that just got a lot of publicity here lately, you may not win styling points at the local mall-ninja range. ;)

    But price wise, it's a winner. From what I've read, they use either ER Shaw or Wilson Air Gauged barrels. So, again, not the top of the line, but no where near the bottom either.

    All in all, depending on what items you choose from the menu, it looks like you could get into a whole assembly (with lower) for under $800. ;)

    Slo
     
  20. cpttango30

    cpttango30 New Member

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    If I were to go with a grendal where can I pick up a bolt for it? All the ones I am finding are 223 only.....