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Old 08-15-2012, 06:10 PM   #541
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IDK, personally, I feel we need more "stainless steel, semi-rigid,

multipurpose lockblade " laws.

Just imagine one of those things in the hands of a

nutball.

And extra Thorazine for everybody...

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Actually, we just need more laws, period. What would those clowns in Washington do if we already have enough laws? They'd have to get real jobs.

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Once upon a time in a land that WAS known as the Republic of America,people elected to congress took it as an honor to serve the people and left their professions behind for a limited time during the year to do so.When they came home,they went right back to their primary occupations because being in DC wasn't going to earn them enough to quit.
They also usually served only so long in total,and returned to their jobs full time when they were done.

Today,in the Peoples Demokratik Socialist Nanny State of Amerika,we have the career politician.

These scumbags NEED to make more "laws" so they can "prove" to their suckers....I mean constituents....that they actually deserve to earn their 3 figure a year salary for helping themselves to the highest position along the government feeding trough.

Its despicable.

So,sooner or later,the reach of these "laws" is going to encompass the abrogation of our inalienable rights.

Its an absolute certainty.

These people they think that when they get elected,they've won some form of lottery and they're taken care of for life- at taxpayer expense,of course.

And all they have to do in return is turn our inalienable rights into a major debate,pick a side,and -bam!- millions of misguided suckers vote to keep em at the deep end of the trough year after year after year.

Until this is remedied,"gun control" will continue to play a big role in the vicious cycle.

We will not get rid of the violation of our inalienable rights until we end the era of big government and the career politician.

I agree with billt in ONE respect- violence isnt going to ultimately solve the problem.Politics will.I do fervently hope and pray that we are able to solve these problems peacefully,and are able to rectify the glaring inconsistencies with modern government and the framework that it is supposed to abide by without any actual physical conflict.
That being said,Clausewitz (I believe it was him,could have been Sun Tzu) said that war is an extension of politics; when all else fails to be settled in the political arena violence is the only recourse.

This is why our Founders wrote the Second Amendment folks.

They knew this.

They knew that ultimately,if the state were to become tyrannical and the issues could not be resolved by peaceful means,that it would be up to the people to stand up for their rights using the only recourse left to them.

They knew that to ensure that the government would not attempt to even take it to that level,and that to ensure that if it ever did we'd at least have a fighting chance,that we'd have to maintain the inalienable right to own arms and not surrender that right to government.

The Second Amendment is not about duck hunting.
It is not a privilege granted by government to those it deems worthy of owning the tools of self defense.
It is an inalienable right that exists despite government and can be called upon ultimately to defend oneself from government if the need ever so arises.

This is not about bravado or empty threats.

This is because this is not a threat at all.

It is an immutable truth that the people will ultimately get the government they deserve.

And only a people willing to sacrifice their very lives to assure that enemies of Liberty both foreign and domestic do not prevail will have and maintain a government of,for,and by the people.

I shudder to think that the posterity of the men in these quotes would be so cowardly as to accept the chains of slavery as the price for their lives.

"Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom? Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American. The unlimited power of the sword, is not in the hands of either the federal or state government, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people."
-Tench Coxe 1788

"O sir, we should have fine times, indeed, if, to punish tyrants, it were only sufficient to assemble the people! Your arms, wherewith you could defend yourselves, are gone...Did you ever read of any revolution in a nation...inflicted by those who had no power at all?"
-Patrick Henry


"Are we at last brought to such humiliating and debasing degradation, that we cannot be trusted with arms for our defense? Where is the difference between having our arms in possession and under our direction, and having them under the management of Congress? If our defense be the real object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands?"
— Patrick Henry, J. Elliot, Debates in the Several State Conventions, 45, 2d ed. Philadelphia, 1836

"The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that's good"
-George Washington

"The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed."
-Alexander Hamilton



And finally,one of my favorite Jefferson quotes; he's basically saying "Molon Labe!":


"The beauty of the second amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it."
-Thomas Jefferson

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The FIRST sentence of the original poster was THIS:

"first, i want this to be a respectful discussion among all posters. if i feel people begin to disrespect each other or the discussion gets out of control, i'm openly telling you i will request the mods to close it."

This thread has moved from Legal and Activism to Politics. It has been anything BUT a respectful discussion among all posters for several pages.

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