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Old 11-07-2012, 02:12 PM   #21
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Common sense.

If a decent citizen wants a .50 cal machine gun and can afford it, he should be able to have it.

OTOH, if a person wants a case of Stingers, or Hellfires, I'd kinda like to know why he wants them.

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I posted this is WB38's petition thread, and have since made some revisions. I keep it saved on my mobile because it sums up how I feel about the 2nd Amendment. I cut out the petition part.

1. No forms of firearm control/anti 2nd Amendment legislation are to occur under any circumstance, excluding that of which a person has been convicted of violent criminal acts/felonies.
2.No registration, licensing or extensive background research will be required when purchasing a firearm, or multiple firearms. Background checks/and researches are limited to the checking of an online database of convicted felons, and the mentally ill.
3. All types of firearms shall be lawful to purchase and possess, with the provisions of item number two on this petition. This includes all types of fully automatic weapons.
4. A firearm is defined as following; A weapon capable of firing a non-explosive projectile, and using an explosive charge as a propellant.
5. There shall be no waiting periods for any type of firearm purchases, and/or any type of limit as to the quantity of firearms or ammunition one can purchase in a certain amount of time.
6. There shall be no limit to the amount of firearms/ammunition one can possess at any given time.
7. Concealed and Open Carry are a natural right possessed by the people, and are a part of our 2nd Amendment rights. No permit/license shall ever be required to exercise the right to Conceal/Open Carry a firearm. Convicted felons do not possess the right to carry open or concealed.
8. The protection of oneself is a right. If any person(s) is to break-in to your home or vehicle, they then have become a deadly threat. One then has the right to use deadly force, (including firearms), upon said threat. Felons have this right so long as they do not protect themselves with an illegally possessed firearm.
9.The age to purchase any type of firearm (including handguns, and fully automatic weapons) is 18 years of age. This applies unless the person has committed felonies as a minor. They then must wait until they are 25 years of age.
10. Hunting with firearms is a right, and shall always be allowed within reasonable regulations. Said regulations are limited to; Bag limits, legal distances away from homes, roads, bridges, as well as dwellings to fire your firearm, and that hunting is not to occur on private property that oneself does not have permission to hunt on. Hunting on certain government properties shall always be permitted. The legal distance away from possibly occupied dwellings, roads, and bridges is 150 yards.

Not sure how to handle the violent/non violent felon thing. Maybe 5 years hard probation? I think the guy Vikingdad mentioned (not the gang one) deserves to be allowed to have firearms.

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...OTOH, if a person wants a case of Stingers, or Hellfires, I'd kinda like to know why he wants them.

I hear groundhogs can be a real challenge to control.
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What are you folks going to do now that the new Socialist Democratic Republic of North America has just begun?????

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If you are a criminal then I dont think you should have guns, I cant stand when some retard runs around shooting people. It makes all gun owners look evil. Other than that, we have a right to own and carry guns. I dont think they should limit magazine capacity, whats the difference if I have a 100 round drum as apposed to 10, 20 round magazines. I understand limiting it for hunting. Come on now this is America the home of the free

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Not much has changed, yet dan01

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While I supprt the 2nd Amendment, I feel there are SOME restrictions that are reasonable. "Arms" is a very broad category that were not even inagined by the Founding Fathers. Grenades, Mortars, Artillery (cannons, not .50 Desert Eagles), Nukes, Chemical weapons, etc. are innapropriate (IMHO).

Felons, especially violent ones, are deserving of restrictions. If the right to vote can be restricted for this category of people, so can the right to bear arms.

Adjudicated insane or mentally deficient? Restrictions.

Age as a restriction? I do not think there is any reason Kindergarteners need to keep and bear arms.

Citizenship as a qualifier? At least legal residency. No reason for illegal aliens to be afforded the same rights as law abiding citizens.

Most of us can agree there are SOME reasonable restrictions. We just argue over WHAT restictions are reasonable.
You come close to my beliefs. All of our 'rights' require some 'management'!
That said I think about 98% of the current laws on the books from city ordinances to federal laws concerning 'arms' are unconstitutional!
The purpose of the 2nd Amendment was to insure the 'militia', we citizens, had access to the same weapons the government issue to our active military!
It think this should apply to all military weapons that are not 'heavy crew served weapons'!
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If you are a criminal then I dont think you should have guns, I cant stand when some retard runs around shooting people.
The two most notable recent mass shootings (Tuscon and Aurora) involved shooters who had a clean record and obtained their guns legally, passing a background check in the process. Both of them had been exhibiting some extremely questionable behavior prior to the shootings (as noted by a gun store in Tucson and a range in Aurora after the shootings had already happened). How do we handle this sort of person, or do we just accept it as an unfortunate side effect of true freedom? Granted, these sorts of tragedies are few and far between in the grand scheme of things, but even one is too many. How do we handle that?
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I'm in full support of the 2nd amendment. Restrictions do nothing to stem crime as criminals don't follow the law, thus they are criminals. Anyone that believes differently is an idiot.

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I think that Hellfires and Stingers would be great fun at the lake on the 4th of July, but h&ll, we can't even have fireworks to celebrate our Freedom and Independance.

I received not guarantee when I came into this world. An occasional shooting, (car accident, Rx reaction, bathtub drowning) can and will happen.

It is sad how little freedoms remain.

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