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Old 12-19-2011, 11:57 AM   #31
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The real thing to look for isn't if the rep. was involved in earmarks, but whether or not they voted for them. can summarize it by saying that the money is already spent by the time the requests are made.
Read my post again. The sonsofbitches loaded the stimulas bill down with pork for Oklahoma and then voted against the bill. They are the worst kind of hypoctrits. The money is not spent until the final bill passes congress and is signed by the POTUS.
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Yep, they chose to believe a lie generated by one Iraqi who had sinister motives.
lol!...if you were in that position and your best and brightest gave you this info...wouldn't you think that was good enough? I suppose you could never make decisions based on, what is believed to be credible information. Sure, the CIA info was flawed (well, maybe not...maybe WMDs were carted to Syria) ....I guess the safe bet is to never make a decision or a stand and to never believe your best sources....what kind of decision maker would that be? Let's all do the Monday morning quarterbacking thing when it all goes to s**t
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(well, maybe not...maybe WMDs were carted to Syria)
Syria furnished troops to Desert Storm. Iraq and Syria were not on good terms. Maybe Saddam levitated them to the moon.
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You are ill informed.

Casting a vote for Ron Paul is tossing Obama back in office. The crazy old man does not stand a chance. Nobody misunderstands him, they over estimate the ramblings of a fool.

Whoever gets the nod for the Republican ticket, I will support, even if it is Ron Paul.
OK, so you would vote for someone who is crazy and a fool. I'm not sure why I'm wasting my time discussing this with someone who would do that.

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The trouble is you have not studied law (I did thanks to LSU), history or the Constitution.
Not formally, no. But I'm not exactly ill-informed.

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Check the history of Ron Paul.

He says he wants term limits but then he is in office for 11 terms.
For what it's worth, I disagree on term limits. The electorate has the power to toss anyone at the next election cycle; the problem isn't representatives and senators who are career politicians but rather an unprincipled and/or ignorant electorate who keep reinstating them.

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He says he will not take a pay increase but then is benefiting millions in perks and travel pay. His reimbursements is higher than most Democratic congressmen.
Well, looking at his salary and staff expenses relative to other democrats in the House, he doesn't seem to be too far over the line:

Ron Paul: 174,000/yr w/ 829,125 in staff salaries

Nanci Pelosi: 193,400/yr w/ 797,321 in staff salaries
Louise Slaughter: 174,000/yr w/ 797,400 in stall salaries
Debbie Wasserman Schultz: 174,000/yr w/ 862,905
Barney Frank: 174,000/yr w/ 919,570
Shiela Jackson Lee: 174,000/yr w/ 697,369

Ron Paul does not participate in the Congressional Pension System (the only one, I believe)

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He knows nothing about foreign policy but is critical of those who do. He is willing to sit back and let other countries do what they want until they get the power to destroy this country militarily.
Respectfully, you don't know where he stands on foreign policy. No one who has taken the time to hear what he has to say on the issues would say what you just said.

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The only good thing that can be said for Ron Paul is his 2nd Amendment stance. He has been consistent with that and not hypocritical in that area.
Yes, as with everything else he is about, Ron Paul adheres strictly to the constitution. I wish everyone running were the same.

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So study your history, see where the millions Ron Paul made came from. It is public record. See how he changes parties to suit his needs. BTW: Please note his open refusal to support anyone that gets the Republican nod. He intends to go as an independent candidate when he loses on the Republican ticket.
Recognizing he has a better chance on a Republican ticket is not the same as flip-flopping on issues or compromising principles. Show me the Republican Party charter...there isn't one. He has been the most consistent of all the candidates.

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Ron Paul is like Ross Perot. The both have short man's syndrome. They both want to split the vote so it pushes the Democratic candidate back in office.
Wait. Are you accusing Ron Paul of deliberately splitting the GOP voter base in order than Obama gets re-elected?
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Syria furnished troops to Desert Storm. Iraq and Syria were not on good terms. Maybe Saddam levitated them to the moon.
ok..address the rest.
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For what it's worth, I disagree on term limits. The electorate has the power to toss anyone at the next election cycle; the problem isn't representatives and senators who are career politicians but rather an unprincipled and/or ignorant electorate who keep reinstating them.
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The congressional approval rating is less than 20 percent. Why 90 percent of incumbents keep getting re-elected? A world class ignorant electorate is the answer. After all, surveys have shown that 35 percent of US males fail to wash their hands after taking a messy dump.
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Why 90 percent of incumbents keep getting re-elected? A world class ignorant electorate is the answer.
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That may be true. But don't you think that 50% of the population being below average intelligence is the major contributing factor?
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That may be true. But don't you think that 50% of the population being below average intelligence is the major contributing factor?
50% of our population has always had below-average intelligence but we haven't always been a bunch of simpering, unprincipled, ignorant idiots.
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That may be true. But don't you think that 50% of the population being below average intelligence is the major contributing factor?
50% of the population??

Here’s the thing.

Typically in the developed nations, the more intelligent families have lower birth rates and the less intelligent have higher birth rates.

The IQ is normed & indexed at 100, however I don’t believe it’s a bell shaped curve anymore.

A population of three people, each with an IQ of 100, will give you a population with an average IQ of 100.

A population of three people, with one person having an IQ of 200, and two people with an IQs of 50, will also ALSO give you a population with an average IQ of 100.

Each citizen gets a vote regardless of IQ. Those with higher IQs are outnumbered by those with lower IQs.

Typically the more intelligent can see further ahead than those not so gifted and can prepare and/or make choices to accommodate upcoming circumstances. Those not as intelligent often make choices to satisfy immediate desires, which may be at the expense of their future.

Having said the above, I do recall it was ‘The Best and the Brightest’ that got us into the Viet Nam war among other ill-advised adventures. I also acknowledge those with higher IQs are often more engaged in the political process, and are more likely to vote than those with lower IQs, so it may be a wash. I don't know. Just something to think about.

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