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Old 12-19-2011, 11:30 AM   #21
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Look at Mr No Earmarks record.
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The dual citizenship neocon shills and their lackeys are ginning up support for an attack on Iran. How is the US going to handle Iran militarily? We have a very tired military thats been run to death for ten years. Their equipment is worn out and training has suffered. There is absolutely no way the US could invade Iran.

Those Iranian nuclear facilities are deep in the earth: They can't be damaged by any weapon short of a nuclear penetration bomb. Let Israel take care of itself. Israel has at least 300 nukes to defend themselves with. Don't forget that Iran has a very big friend to its north.



Ron Paul has my vote.
Not to mention Iran's non-existent air force while Israel has one of the most technologically advanced air forces in the world, thanks to the American tax payer.
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The problem for me here is the presumption that Congress represents American citizens, and even if that should be the case; I'm not confident we have a well informed public immune to propaganda and manipulation.
+1 Best post i've read lately. The US public is very vulnerable to propaganda and manipulation. Look at the WMD in Iraq lies the public bought into.
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Look at Mr No Earmarks record.

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Earmarks Don’t Add Up

by Ron Paul

Earmarks seem to be the hot topic this week, and as a fiscal conservative I am dismayed so many people deliberately distort the earmarking process and grandstand to make political points. It is an easy thing to do with earmarks. It takes a little more time and patience to grasp the reality of what earmarks really are.

To be sure, if earmarks were the driving force behind explosive government spending as some have been led to believe, that would be a good reason for all the fuss. The misconception seems to be that members of Congress put together a bunch of requests for project funding, add them all together and come up with a budget. The truth is, it is not done that way. The total level of spending is determined by the Congressional leadership and the appropriators before any Member has a chance to offer any amendments. Members’ requests are simply recommendations to allocate parts of that spending for certain items in that members’ district or state. If funds are not designated, they revert to non-designated spending controlled by bureaucrats in the executive branch. In other words, when a designation request makes it into the budget, it subtracts funds out of what is available to the executive branch and bureaucrats in various departments, and targets it for projects that the people and their representatives request in their districts. If a congressman does not submit funding requests for his district the money is simply spent elsewhere. To eliminate all earmarks would be to further consolidate power in the already dominant executive branch and not save a penny.

Furthermore, designating how money is spent provides a level of transparency and accountability over taxpayer dollars that we don’t have with general funds. I argue that all spending should be decided by Congress so that we at least know where the money goes. This has been a major problem with TARP funding. The public and Congress are now trying to find out where all that money went.

The real issue is that the overall budget is too big, by far, which is why I always vote against it. But attacking the 1% that was earmarked solves nothing. The whole issue is a distraction from the real problems we face, which are that the Federal Government will absorb over 1/3 of our country’s GDP this year and taxpayers are forced to fork over more than half their income to fund government at all levels. On top of that, the national debt is $11 trillion, which is $36,000 per citizen. The recent increases in bailouts, government spending and money creation is going to hobble our economy for decades. We must curb the government’s appetite severely if this country is ever to thrive again. The noise over “earmarks” is a red herring and a distraction from the real issue of uncommitted spending.

It is time to attack the entirety of government spending. We especially need a full account of the activities of the Federal Reserve that spends and creates trillions of dollars with no meaningful oversight. This is a huge problem that needs immediate attention.
More Earmarks – Less Government
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Look at the WMD in Iraq lies the public bought into.
They weren't lies, everyone believed it from Clinton and Kerry to Thatcher and McCain. And they believed it long before the U.S. invasion.
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They weren't lies, everyone believed it from Clinton and Kerry to Thatcher and McCain.
Yep, they chose to believe a lie generated by one Iraqi who had sinister motives.


Speaking of WMD lies:

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Well, to be honest, they did have WMD's, but we gave them to them, and they used them against the Kurds and Iranians...

The problem wasn't whether or not they had them, it was the fact that once it was realized they didn't have them, it was like pulling teeth to get them to admit it. On top of that, much like Iran today, we had no reason to initiate combat that resulted in millions spent and thousands of military men and womens lives, along with the lives of the Iraqi civilians.

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BTW: In OK we have all these pork barrel road projects going on: Good roads are being torn up and re-built because the federal money is there thanks to our reps in the US congress. The OK congressional delegation loaded the stimulas bill down with pork and then voted against the bill.

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BTW: In OK we have all these pork barrel road projects going on: Good roads are being torn up and re-built because the federal money is there thanks to our reps in the US congress. The OK congressional delegation loaded the stimulas bill down with pork and then voted against the bill.
I'm not entirely sure I follow what your saying, but you may want to refer to post #24 of this thread for some clarification on earmarks and how they work.

I can summarize it by saying that the money is already spent by the time the requests are made. The tax payer has already paid that money to the government. Making requests just suggests that such-and-such district would like to receive some of the tax payers money back from the federal government. The real thing to look for isn't if the rep. was involved in earmarks, but whether or not they voted to pass the stimulas.
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Yep, Iraq had lots of chemical munitions prior to the 1991 war. The UN paid civilian EOD friends of mine big bucks to destroy those munitions after the Gulf War.

https://www.cia.gov/library/reports/general-reports-1/iraq_wmd_2004/chap5.html

Star Witness on Iraq Said Weapons Were Destroyed

'Iraq has been fundamentally disarmed' - Scott Ritter

Curveball's confession: another dent in the Iraq conspiracy theory | Michael White | Politics | guardian.co.uk

Oops, forgot one:

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1309/is_n2_v31/ai_15715990/

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