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Old 07-22-2012, 04:52 PM   #1
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Fellow Gun Owners,

Are you a hypocrite?

When incidents like Aurora, CO. theater shooting occur, anti-gunners swing into action to light up the public and news media. They get the victim's families on the boob tube crying about how unfair and untimely the death of their family member was. Of course, we agree that the killings that happen are heinous and should never occur, ever, for any reason. The only solution to the problem that is heard by the public is the anti-gunners who also pretty much control the media.

We don't step forward to offer our answer to that situation, or point out the facts, such as the theater being a Gun Free Zone (GFZ), where a lawfully licensed and background-checked CCW holder could not lawfully carry his pistol and offer protection to himself and his loved ones, nor the fact that the theater, even after declaring itself a GFZ, provided no armed protection for their patrons (Yes, there are theaters that have armed guards - I used to attend one because it had armed guards). GFZs, when not tightly regulated (fences, walls, towers) and patrolled with armed responders is NOT safe for the people entering it, it is simply a false sense of security. Why are violent crime rates higher at colleges, schools, malls and other large GFZs? Because there is a large concentration of people and NO ONE, not even the guards, are armed. But does the public understand this? Are they given ALL the facts so they can make an intelligent choice?

We know what we believe, but the general public is never given ALL of the truth. The public is given only what the anti-gun advocates want them to hear. And if we don't actually DO something other than talk on firearms forums about how horrible it is, then we will lose our rights and it will be...

OUR FAULT!

Yes, our fault. We didn't educate voters, we didn't write our elected representatives, we didn't even stand up to someone spewing anti-gun rhetoric at the company picnic. Get moving and DO something that shows we deserve the Second Amendment as a personal right as the Supreme Court has ruled, and are not subject to one presidents personal agenda or a multi-national political agency bent on turning Americans into the same citizens as the rest of the world: unable to enforce their right to a free and independent government set forth by their Founding Fathers.

If you are a responsible gun-owner, or an American, and believe in the 1st Amendment as much as the 2nd, then at least write your elected representatives and let them know what you and yours are going to vote if they don't listen. It takes as long to write a letter or email to your Senator or Congressman as it does to read this post, so take just as long and let your voice be heard! And if you haven't yet, register to vote. Many precincts allow you to do it online, and you will be taken more seriously when you write your representatives.

Elected Officials is where you find their mail, e-mail, phone, fax and every other piece of contact information. At the very least, you'll click that link and tell them what you think. :-)

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Old 07-22-2012, 05:28 PM   #2
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Fellow Gun Owners,

Are you a hypocrite?

When incidents like Aurora, CO. theater shooting occur, anti-gunners swing into action to light up the public and news media. They get the victim's families on the boob tube crying about how unfair and untimely the death of their family member was. Of course, we agree that the killings that happen are heinous and should never occur, ever, for any reason. The only solution to the problem that is heard by the public is the anti-gunners who also pretty much control the media.

We don't step forward to offer our answer to that situation, or point out the facts, such as the theater being a Gun Free Zone (GFZ), where a lawfully licensed and background-checked CCW holder could not lawfully carry his pistol and offer protection to himself and his loved ones, nor the fact that the theater, even after declaring itself a GFZ, provided no armed protection for their patrons (Yes, there are theaters that have armed guards - I used to attend one because it had armed guards). GFZs, when not tightly regulated (fences, walls, towers) and patrolled with armed responders is NOT safe for the people entering it, it is simply a false sense of security. Why are violent crime rates higher at colleges, schools, malls and other large GFZs? Because there is a large concentration of people and NO ONE, not even the guards, are armed. But does the public understand this? Are they given ALL the facts so they can make an intelligent choice?

We know what we believe, but the general public is never given ALL of the truth. The public is given only what the anti-gun advocates want them to hear. And if we don't actually DO something other than talk on firearms forums about how horrible it is, then we will lose our rights and it will be...

OUR FAULT!

Yes, our fault. We didn't educate voters, we didn't write our elected representatives, we didn't even stand up to someone spewing anti-gun rhetoric at the company picnic. Get moving and DO something that shows we deserve the Second Amendment as a personal right as the Supreme Court has ruled, and are not subject to one presidents personal agenda or a multi-national political agency bent on turning Americans into the same citizens as the rest of the world: unable to enforce their right to a free and independent government set forth by their Founding Fathers.

If you are a responsible gun-owner, or an American, and believe in the 1st Amendment as much as the 2nd, then at least write your elected representatives and let them know what you and yours are going to vote if they don't listen. It takes as long to write a letter or email to your Senator or Congressman as it does to read this post, so take just as long and let your voice be heard! And if you haven't yet, register to vote. Many precincts allow you to do it online, and you will be taken more seriously when you write your representatives.

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TekGreg, very well written! you have brought up some very valid points that we as responible gun owners need to think about and adrdress.

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People, WRITE YOUR OFFICIALS!!!

I just wrote both of our Senators about the UN Small Arms Treaty. Will those two letters help? Maybe, maybe not. If 100-200 people sent them letters, would it help? Most likely it would.

There are 100 people on the Senate, get their support. Send both of your Senators an email. Even if you don't think it will help, do it anyways.

Remember, WE THE PEOPLE hold the power, not the Government. Make sure that the Senate, and the House knows that we will vote them out if they vote for any more anti gun legislation. Regardless if it passes or not. Make them cater to the People's will like they're supposed to.

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The problem I see is the people who don't own guns only want the police and/or military to have guns. They think someone who just goes and buys a gun is a threat and not qualified and not trained properly to do the right thing. They have never shot a gun and are afraid of guns. I don't know how to edumacate them.

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I don't know how to edumacate them.
A lot of stats from really good sources, a lot of arguing/talking, and finally convincing them to at least get them to the range. After they actually shoot a gun, it may be much easier.

This will not work on everyone. Some people have been buried way to far under the liberals' lies, and are basically a lost cause.
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It`s a very up hill battle for gun owners...The Police departments don`t want people to own guns and actually work to get gun control...City governments...family organizations...women's groups....religious groups...just to mention a few..... people are scared of guns and they don`t trust people that own them...and don`t care about the 2nd amend...no matter what the arguement is...

People just no longer trust other people...there has been a divide and conquer mentality for the last 30 years and it`s worked...people simple don`t trust anyone....and big national events like Colorado serve to give strength to the gun control movement....People see the attitude of gun owners digging in and accepting no compromise....The people are sick and tired of nothing working...it`s going to be difficult going forward...there will be compromise whether or not everyone agrees...

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A lot of stats from really good sources, a lot of arguing/talking, and finally convincing them to at least get them to the range. After they actually shoot a gun, it may be much easier.

This will not work on everyone. Some people have been buried way to far under the liberals' lies, and are basically a lost cause.
It`s doubtful anything other than compromise will work...Liberals and Conservatives... neither have a monopoly on the truth... both do whatever they can to get what they want but when you have our government [ behind the scenes ] working toward gun control...you can bet its coming... in fact all governments want to disarm the world...it`s just a matter of when.... thats why I say gun owners need to have some mechanism to get involved directly in the discussion.....
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It`s a very up hill battle for gun owners...The Police departments don`t want people to own guns and actually work to get gun control...City governments...family organizations...women's groups....religious groups...just to mention a few..... people are scared of guns and they don`t trust people that own them...and don`t care about the 2nd amend...no matter what the arguement is...

People just no longer trust other people...there has been a divide and conquer mentality for the last 30 years and it`s worked...people simple don`t trust anyone....and big national events like Colorado serve to give strength to the gun control movement....People see the attitude of gun owners digging in and accepting no compromise....The people are sick and tired of nothing working...it`s going to be difficult going forward...there will be compromise whether or not everyone agrees...
well JimJC, when you live in arich liberal environment such as where you live, you have those problems. here in Texas, we have many amny LEO and departments that support and promote the right to own and carry firearms. liberals down here are the minority. even th Boy Scouts here learn gun safety and shooting, and many of the people i have went to church with CC!

lack of trusting other people comes from your liberal environment. i have been to Illinois a couple of times on business, and some of you are the most rude and unfriendly people i have ever encountered just because i was from the south. like i came from some foreign country. i am not saying that all people from Illinois are like that, but some i met were and i hope they are not representative of all the people there. one of the by far friendliest states i was ever in was Lousiana.
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It`s doubtful anything other than compromise will work...Liberals and Conservatives... neither have a monopoly on the truth... both do whatever they can to get what they want but when you have our government [ behind the scenes ] working toward gun control...you can bet its coming... in fact all governments want to disarm the world...it`s just a matter of when.... thats why I say gun owners need to have some mechanism to get involved directly in the discussion.....
Compromise??? I think you as an IL resident would know better than most about how much we as gun owners have ALREADY compromised! Mandated training, permits, background checks among all the other dog and pony show hoops we have had to jump through just to excercise A RIGHT!!!

Compromise if off the table IMHO as we have given more slack to the anti-rights crowd then any of them will ever admit. Any more compromise will lead us to the point of no return. If you're for more compromise then that's all on you but I think living in IL and listening to the drivel that comes out of Chitcago has depleted your ability for critical thinking...
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