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Old 01-06-2013, 05:31 PM   #11
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Florida requires nothing to purchase a firearm but to fill out the 4473, the NICS call and a three to five day wait if you don't have a license(CWFL). To obtain a license you need a DD214, hunters certificate or have taken a basic gun course, finger prints, picture and pass the requirements as outlined under Florida Statute 790.06 and pay $117.00 in fees for a seven year CWFL.

IMO, the basic gun courses, especially those conducted at gun shows, do little to increase the gun safety of the new gun owner.

I don't believe we need any additional qualifiers (laws) to purchase or to own a gun(s). The government has continued over the years to strip away our rights in their quest to ban all guns. I have read that there are presently over 20,000 gun laws on the books with very few, if any, decreasing the crimes committed with a firearm.

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I have been thinking about this for a while. And it is alot more involved than
what I am going to state here.

But what I would like to see is a General Photo ID with a magnetic ID strip,
not RFID'd. That ID would have a picture of the person, with basic info
printed on the front. Then a gun shop, liquor store, polling place etc.
Could scan the card, and would be able to check a gov't DB that would clear
that individual to purchase guns or ammo (not a felon), alcohol or is listed as
a registered voter. The card itself would not have the info, it would be too
easy to copy, but would have an encripted code, possible protected with a
PIN number.

So in the example of a gun purchase, the buyer would hand the shop their
ID it would get swiped and the gun store would get a approved to purchase
or a denial. If approved (buyer is not a felon or adjudicated mentally ill) to
purchase then the bill of sale will be completed with Make, Model and SN,
and off goes the buy with their weapon. The bill of sale is not entered in to
the gov't DB only kept on site by the FFL holder just like the current 4473.
This would eliminate the 4473, waiting periods etc.

This would be a universal ID, replacing FOID (gotta love IL), CCW, DL's,
Voter registration cards. Etc. Etc. Etc...
Oh goodie-- A "universal" ID card--
Does that come with a tattoo or armband
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Here in Maryland for your very first handgun purchase, you are required to watch a 30 minute video in your local FFL shop, or you can do it on Maryland's website.

All you have to do is watch the handgun safety video, there is no passing or failing grades. There is also no fee. When the video is done, you're given a certificate on the spot and that's it.

I think it's pretty cool. There are actually a lot of things that you learn. If the majority of gun owners and would be gun owners support this, I'm absolutely fine with it. It doesn't interfere with your transfer/purchase at all.

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I think it's the responsibility of the FFL holder to make sure that the purchaser of the firearm knows how to handle it. When I purchased my first firearm from the local gun store the seller showed me how to load it, make sure the chamber is empty, and even how to field strip my firearm. It is also the purchasers responsibility to ask questions if they are unfamiliar with how to handle their new purchase.

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Shade- that process ALREADY takes place through the NICS system.

Would I be comfortable with a training requirement in order to be able to acquire a gun? SURE!

Right after they enact a training requirement for being able to vote- look at the crap that stupid people have voted in!

Right after they enact a training requirement before you can speak at a public meeting, or write a letter to your Congressman, or post on a blog or website.

Right after they enact a training requirement before you can attend a church service.

Right after they enact a training requirement for being able to buy a house.


Is it a damned good idea to GET training? Yep. You want the government to establish training standards? Think about that for a minute. In 5 minutes I can devise a shooting performance test that will fail 99.9% of the people that attempt it.

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I can see Chicago's training requirement now: you need the training, it has to be in Chicago, there are no classes...

You would think gun dealers would hand out a sheet of safety rules just to cover their azz.

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Well, gunmakers do that. It is called the owner's manual. How the hell any of us survived centuries of NO instuctions, or a manual that consisted of a cardboard tag hanging from the tigger guard, I'l never know.....


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No more restriction. We have far too many already.

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Well, gunmakers do that. It is called the owner's manual. How the hell any of us survived centuries of NO instuctions, or a manual that consisted of a cardboard tag hanging from the tigger guard, I'l never know.....

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So why, after 238 years of independence, would these requirements be appropriate now?

Know what scares me these days!? So many enlisted veterans formerly living regimented lives transitioning, and transposing their narrow training, to civilian life. Perhaps we should test them regularly in half-way camps until we are certain they stop thinking of, and referring to, firearms as "weapons"...

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