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Old 03-02-2013, 03:59 AM   #81
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Ohh they can have ALL of MY guns....





.....I'm gonna give them ALL of my bullets first tho

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Lets see the 'report' of the accident???
There is another 'unconstitutional' law on the books which makes it 'illegal' to lie to a 'federal agent'! It is this law which they will enforce every time!
So If I am ever ask anything by the feds I will simply say nothing, and tell them why. No matter what you say they will find a way to charge you!!!!
You are going to have to dig up that law before I am going to believe it exists. If a fed knocks your door with a warrant and you lie to him about what firearms you own it is not illegal unless you have been sworn in under oath, which isn't going to happen (hell, you wouldn't be sworn in if it was a no-knock warrant and they kicked your door in!).

Feds will enforce what they think the law should be, not The LAW!!

Saying nothing will always be the wisest choice. We do have the 5th Amendment to protect us. But of course in this case we would no longer have the 2nd Amendment to ensure it.
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You are going to have to dig up that law before I am going to believe it exists. If a fed knocks your door with a warrant and you lie to him about what firearms you own it is not illegal unless you have been sworn in under oath, which isn't going to happen (hell, you wouldn't be sworn in if it was a no-knock warrant and they kicked your door in!).

Feds will enforce what they think the law should be, not The LAW!!

Saying nothing will always be the wisest choice. We do have the 5th Amendment to protect us. But of course in this case we would no longer have the 2nd Amendment to ensure it.
No I won't. If you don't believe me you 'dig it up'!!!
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No I won't. If you don't believe me you 'dig it up'!!!
Won't or can't? Either way I'm calling BS on you. That "law" doesn't exist.
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I'm completely against a ban, they have my gun when they pry it from my dead hands and believe you and me I won't be the only cold man on the ground.

They want us to be sheep so they can do with us as they please and see fit, but I'll be dead before I let it happen. This is ky not NY and Oboma and his SS lackies can kiss my white hairy arse!!!

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I suppose "God Given" does not mean much to people that do not believe in God. How about the concept that we all evolved this right and evolution does not want it infringed upon.
Who am I kidding? These people will not even rely upon scientifically based statistics when it comes to guns.
You are correct this is worldwide issue not just the US. Patriotism is a thing of the past in their minds. But don't only blame BO he is just the latest and greatest, Bush started with the patriot act.
If our freedom is a great stone mountain, recent administrations have all taken dynamite to it and soon we will be left with only the rubble and a memory of what freedom was.

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BTW
Title 18 of the US Code, Section 1001, a favorite of federal prosecutors, makes it unlawful to lie to a government agent, even if you:
· made the false statement without the obligations of an oath,
· didn’t receive warning of the law or its consequences,
· were not trying to cheat the government out of money,
· or lied about something that was not materially influential to government matters.

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Veiled threats to LEOs might get you a special visit. Keep in mind too that not all of us 100 million are looking to die at this or any time for the right to keep a semi. And I'm not quite ready to shoot at Andy and Barney just because they are doing their jobs - enforcing the law. Your beef should be with the idiots MAKING the laws.
What are you going to do when Andy and Barney look more like a Chinese version, only with ammo not in their pockets?

The strip down to nothing but double barrel shotguns is their move towards them winning this chess game.

Read all the news and put 2 and 2 together.
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BTW
Title 18 of the US Code, Section 1001, a favorite of federal prosecutors, makes it unlawful to lie to a government agent, even if you:
· made the false statement without the obligations of an oath,
· didn’t receive warning of the law or its consequences,
· were not trying to cheat the government out of money,
· or lied about something that was not materially influential to government matters.
Thank you. I am a bit busy so I appreciate you setting him straight!
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BTW
Title 18 of the US Code, Section 1001, a favorite of federal prosecutors, makes it unlawful to lie to a government agent, even if you:
· made the false statement without the obligations of an oath,
· didn’t receive warning of the law or its consequences,
· were not trying to cheat the government out of money,
· or lied about something that was not materially influential to government matters.
Thanks, d.

Wikipedia has this to say:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Making_false_statements

“...Making false statements (18 U.S.C. § 1001) is the common name for the United States federal crime laid out in Section 1001 of Title 18 of the United States Code, which generally prohibits lying or concealing information in "any matter within the jursdiction" of the federal government of the United States, even by mere denial.

This statute is used in many contexts. Most commonly, prosecutors use this statute to reach cover-up crimes such as perjury, false declarations, and obstruction of justice and government fraud cases.[1] Many famous people have been convicted under this law, such as Martha Stewart….."


This is the whole US Code- Section 1001:

http://codes.lp.findlaw.com/uscode/18/I/47/1001

18 U.S.C. § 1001 : US Code - Section 1001

(a) Except as otherwise provided in this section, whoever, in any matter within the jurisdiction of the executive, legislative, or judicial branch of the Government of the United States, knowingly and willfully -

(1) falsifies, conceals, or covers up by any trick, scheme, or device a material fact;

(2) makes any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or representation; or

(3) makes or uses any false writing or document knowing the same to contain any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or entry; shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 5 years or, if the offense involves international or domestic terrorism (as defined in section 2331), imprisoned not more than 8 years, or both. (b) Subsection (a) does not apply to a party to a judicial proceeding, or that party's counsel, for statements, representations, writings or documents submitted by such party or counsel to a judge or magistrate in that proceeding. (c) With respect to any matter within the jurisdiction of the legislative branch, subsection (a) shall apply only to -

(1) administrative matters, including a claim for payment, a matter related to the procurement of property or services, personnel or employment practices, or support services, or a document required by law, rule, or regulation to be submitted to the Congress or any office or officer within the legislative branch; or

(2) any investigation or review, conducted pursuant to the authority of any committee, subcommittee, commission or office of the Congress, consistent with applicable rules of the House or Senate. -
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