[c3shooter]

Dog- your last post is a serious violation of the terms and conditions of the forum.



You KNOW that the Mods get a 25% cut off the top for contracted stalking. Now pony up, or Guido and Nunzio will be stopping by. Gnome sane, bro?

[axxe55]

Originally Posted by TNFrank

If a person commits a felony with a firearm then they either need to stay locked up or given the death penalty depending on what went down. That being said, NO LAW is going to stop a criminal who wants a gun from getting one. All it does is stop someone who may have messed up once in his life and who is otherwise law abiding from being able to protect himself or his family and IMHO that's just wrong to punish someone for life AFTER he's supposedly paid for his crime by jail time or probation. That's just my opinion on the matter.

i agree with you to a point. but would you want someone who commited criminal acts with a firearm to own one after they were released? i know i wouldn't. and i agree that no amount of laws will stop the career criminal from getting a firearm when they want one.

the problem i have with your idea is this, that many get a say a 10 year sentence and usually serve about 2.5-3 years on that sentence. now if they served the full 10 years and kept themselves on the straight and narrow while in prison, when released and say after about 2-5 years, then maybe, then they could have their rights as far as guns restored.

[weapon]

^ It doesn't even have to be a misdemeanor criminal offense. It can be a protective order, often properly titled an "Order of Protection" - those are heard in domestic relations (civil) court and can bar a person from owning firearms for the duration of the order. In many states, this type of protective order can be valid for as long as five to ten years. The standard of proof in those cases is "by a preponderance of the evidence" and they are heard only by a judge (bench trial) -- not a jury. The balance for a preponderance of the evidence is 50.1% -- nothing close to as high of a standard as "beyond a reasonable doubt" which is the criminal court burden of proof. So, what does the petitioner have to prove? Most jurisdictions have amended their statutes so that a threat of any type of physical violence to a family member, girlfriend, former girlfriend or the like is sufficient -- a single text message such as "I am gonna kick your a**, you stupid b*#^h" (without any actual physical violence whatsoever) has been deemed sufficient for the granting of an Order of Protection and upheld on appeal. They have a nice paragraph in those orders - "the respondent is ordered to report to the Sheriff's office of ______ County and to surrender any and all firearms in the respondent's possession. The Respondent is strictly prohibited from possessing a firearm for the duration of this order as stated hereinabove." You are supposed to get them back when the order expires -- I am sure you can guess the types of problems you can run into with lost or misplaced firearms after they have sat in a storage room at the Sheriff's office for a few years...

^If you live in the US, odds are that your state has a nice set of statutes that allow for the above as almost every state now has this type of law on the books.

/s/ Weapon, Attorney at Law

[Cattledog]

Originally Posted by c3shooter

Dog- your last post is a serious violation of the terms and conditions of the forum.



You KNOW that the Mods get a 25% cut off the top for contracted stalking. Now pony up, or Guido and Nunzio will be stopping by. Gnome sane, bro?

dammit! what are you guys like,...everywhere or something? A guy can't catch a break around here.

[Freida]

Because AR-15 is an incredibly versatile weapon. Fully capable for use in CQB/MOUT or as a hunting rifle.

[drvsafe]

"Gnome sane, bro"...lol.

[AR10]

I need an AR because sometimes I leave the 9mm in my other coat. Lol