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Old 03-26-2013, 12:00 AM   #11
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They have to practice with the exact same ammo they carry... them the rules

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They have to practice with the exact same ammo they carry... them the rules
Man, must be nice to write rules that don't cost YOU any money! There is no practical reason to shoot exclusively duty ammo. You shoot 2-3 boxes to insure reliability and shoot cheaper FMJ's. If that is "the rule" it is just stupid.
We shoot last year's duty ammo for one of our annual quals. We get a box of fresh ammo afterwards. Training? FMJ.

And NO, the Geneva Convention has nothing to do with frangible, expanding or explosive ammo. The Hague Accords addresses their use agaiinst foreign UNIFORMED combatants. And, we never signed off on either one so it is a moot point.

As stated, DHS is a civilian LE agency. They are not the least bit constrained by any international rules of war. They are bound by the Constitution of the United States and Federal laws.
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I am not sure what you are getting at here. This is interesting though. I never knew that!
The Japanese had control over 90% of the rubber producing areas of the Far East. (This was before synthetic rubber.) We needed rubber for tires, tank tracks, cordage, etc. To avoid letting the enemy know our weakness, they rationed gas instead.

You never know what motivates the U.S. government. They are really, really smart.
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As stated, DHS is a civilian LE agency. They are not the least bit constrained by any international rules of war. They are [I]bound by the Constitution of the United States and Federal laws[/I].
That part needs an asterisk or something so people wouldn't spray coffee on their screens.
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Good point gello. Sorry, I will try to post a NSFBCWC (Not Safe For Beverage Consumption While Computing) warning in the future.

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The Japanese had control over 90% of the rubber producing areas of the Far East. (This was before synthetic rubber.) We needed rubber for tires, tank tracks, cordage, etc. To avoid letting the enemy know our weakness, they rationed gas instead.

You never know what motivates the U.S. government. They are really, really smart.
Sure it had nothing to do with the lack of rubber and the necessity and advancements of making artificial rubber out of petroleum products which are also used for fuels, lubricants, energy production, plastics, munitions, etc.? And they rationed other things including food because!?
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DHS is not a military unit. They are federal police department. That means DHS is not bound by the terms of the Geneva convention treaty. I am glad they are using hollow points. Since I shoot FMJ all the time DHS purchases have less effect on my shooting fun. Now they need to equip every police officer in the US with a 40 cal. Maybe 9mm won't be so scarce when we have these ammo shortages.
The problem is when the govt. comes calling, the ammo makers are forced to change from target ammo to the hollow points DHS is ordering. They get to tell the manufacturers of anything they are buying that they have to have theirs first, and yours goes to the back of the line.
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Let's say that DHS buying is causing ammo to be tight, if that is the case, can you explain why the ammo in the greatest short situation is .22LR - that they don't use?

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They have to practice with the exact same ammo they carry... them the rules
Negative, that is not the rules..... we practice with FMJ and duty ammo is HP...... only time we shoot the HP's on the range is to recycle our ammo and get fresh new duty ammo.
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