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Old 02-12-2012, 06:27 PM   #11
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Being an Weapon Repair Shop whether the factory or an individual's shop they are or should be licensed by the ATF. And by Federal Law they must post the weapon coming in for repair in their Fed Books. Then signs it back out of his book to the receiving location and person who sent the weapon in for repair. And in your case to your local shooting range to you. I know this is not the answer that you wanted but that is the way it is, as inconvenient as it is. I certainly would not release it to anyone but the person who sent it to the FFL Repair Shop for repair.

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Oh, I guess it doesn't really matter because I'm not going to get to see it until I get home anyway. I hope my range doesn't get pissy about having to hold it there for a couple weeks. They shouldn't, as much money as I've spent there!
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Old 02-12-2012, 07:31 PM   #12
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Listen to c3. He's telling you factually. Even if it went directly to the manufacturer, it still has to go back through an FFL.
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This is contrary to my experience. And I'm doubtful that the manufacturers would be doing it "unknowingly "

I've had 3 pistols shipped to my front door from different manufacturers.
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I could make a list of a bunch of guns i have, or "have", or wish I had. Why would one feel compelled to provide that infornation freely? Do you feel the need to show off? Is it some immature game of oneupsmanship?

Why do you feel it necessary to list your guns?


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This is contrary to my experience. And I'm doubtful that the manufacturers would be doing it "unknowingly "

I've had 3 pistols shipped to my front door from different manufacturers.
haha you may want to delete that post before the ATF kicks in your doors
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I'm not deleting anything. I haven't broken any laws.

Don't just take everything you're told on a forum as the letter of the law. Learn to research a little for yourself.

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I could make a list of a bunch of guns i have, or "have", or wish I had. Why would one feel compelled to provide that infornation freely? Do you feel the need to show off? Is it some immature game of oneupsmanship?

Why do you feel it necessary to list your guns?

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I sent a pistol back to the factory in a different state and they sent it right back to me. It came from them directly back to my door. If you are sending it to an ffl they can ship it directly back to you. There is no need for it to go through any ffl at all. That is unless you live in a commie state. But, you said va last time I looked they are relaxing gun laws there.

Why would you have to go through an ffl to get a firearm you already own and did the 4473 on? Some people need to learn a little bit before punching the keys.

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Ok folks- here is the straight word- Federal law- Titile 18 US Code, Section 922. on shipping a firearm. It does NOT apply to Antiques (made in 1898 or ealier, or a muzzleloader)

a) It shall be unlawful -
(1) for any person -
(A) except a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, or
licensed dealer, to engage in the business of importing,
manufacturing, or dealing in firearms, or in the course of such
business to ship, transport, or receive any firearm in
interstate or foreign commerce; or
(B) except a licensed importer or licensed manufacturer, to
engage in the business of importing or manufacturing
ammunition, or in the course of such business, to ship,
transport, or receive any ammunition in interstate or foreign
commerce;
(2) for any importer, manufacturer, dealer, or collector
licensed under the provisions of this chapter to ship or
transport in interstate or foreign commerce any firearm to any
person other than a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer,
licensed dealer, or licensed collector, except that -
(A) this paragraph and subsection (b)(3) shall not be held to
preclude a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed
dealer, or licensed collector from returning a firearm or
replacement firearm of the same kind and type to a person from
whom it was received; and this paragraph shall not be held to
preclude an individual from mailing a firearm owned in
compliance with Federal, State, and local law to a licensed
importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed
collector
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Translation in English- I have a Remington Rifle. I can send it to Remington for repair (they are a FFL) I can do that directly- and they can return it to me- directly (or send me a replacement). NO TRANSFER OF OWNERSHIP took place. If I send it, and it is to be returned to anyone else, THEN it goes thru a FFL on return.

A private citizen CAN mail a rifle or shotgun. Must be unloaded, and if being transferred across a state line, must go TO a FFL. HANDGUNS may not be mailed except by Dealers and Manufacturers- they must file the form 1508 with Post Office. This is spelled out in the USPS Domestic Mail Manual.
432.1 General
The following conditions apply:
a. Pistols, revolvers, and other firearms capable of being concealed on the person (referred to as handguns) are nonmailable in the domestic mail except as permitted in Exhibit 432.1 and DMM C024.1.0.
b. The disassembled parts of a handgun or other type of nonmailable firearm that can be readily reassembled as a weapon are nonmailable except as permitted in Exhibit 432.1 and DMM C024.1.0 or C024.2.0.
c. Unloaded antique firearms sent as curios or museum pieces are generally permitted as specified in Exhibit 432.1 and DMM C024.2.0.
d. Unloaded rifles and shotguns may be mailed if the mailer fully complies with the Gun Control Act of 1968 (Public Law 90-618) and 18 U.S.C. 921. The mailer may be required to establish, by opening the parcel or by written certification, that the gun is unloaded and not excluded from mailing because of the restrictions in 431.2b and c.


One circumstance where ownership of a firearm CAN be transferred across a state line WITHOUT going to an FFL is inheritance. The EXECUTOR of the estate can ship directly to the recipient IF it is legal for recipient to possess in their state.

I am going hunting in Montana- but live in VA. I CAN mail my rifle to MYSELF- Big Sky Lodge, Tree Stump Montana- HOLD FOR GUEST C3SHOOTER. Again, ownership is not being transferred.

There ARE state laws that can be more restrictive (NY requires that handguns must be shipped into NY from a FFL to a FFL).

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I think thats check mate, game set and match to c3.........next

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Curious as to why you had it returned to a gun range instead of directly to yourself in the first place...

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Curious as to why you had it returned to a gun range instead of directly to yourself in the first place...
haha I was asking myself the same thing. I guess I read the part about guns having to be shipped through an FFL and didn't read long enough to see the exceptions.
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