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Old 07-31-2013, 06:15 AM   #61
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It's easy to see things in black and white when you're very young. (At least it was for me) As you age, they become a bit more grey.

Winston Churchill said: "If a man is not a socialist at 20, he has no heart. If he's still a socialist at 40, he has no head."

Your perception of the world changes as you gain life experience. (You won't believe that now, but it will happen)

Formal education is a wonderful thing, but it's not a substitute for life experience. Unfortunately, that is a lesson that cannot be taught, but must be learned individually.
I agree 110%!! About a year ago, I fell hook-line-and-sinker for the "common sense" gun control. I thought "yeah...convicted felons shouldn't be allowed to own guns, so how can background checks and mental health checks hurt?" Then I took a step back to gain some perspective. What first made me realize this was when I learned that a good family friend of our who we go to church with spent a few years in federal prison back when I was really young (something to do with tax fraud). Not a violent bone in his body, and he's served his time and paid his debt go society for what he did. Nicest guy you'd ever meet and would give you the shirt off his back. Yet our government has still taken the liberty of stripping him of his 2nd amendment right to bear arm, even though he has technically paid his debt and is now a "free man". And then I took another look at things from my step back and saw that the 2nd amendment doesn't have any exceptions as to who the 2nd amendment applies to. So if our government is able to just, out of thin air, make up a law that excludes one group of individuals, what is keeping them from expanding that group of individuals until it includes all American citizens? I have gained a great deal of life experience with this current administration and it has shown me that this is exactly how they win their battles. They create grey areas that never stop growing.

I don't always see things black and white. In fact I rarely do. But grey areas in these types of matters are exactly why we're having to fight the battles we are now to get back lost gun rights. The 2nd amendment has no grey areas. I encourage you to read it again and see that it is as black and white as anything can possibly be.
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Well in my case it was a victimless crime that's got sure and I am a caretaker who was growing medicine for my cousin who was involved in a horrific bike accident and is disfigured as a result of it. I was we'll within my rights and would hAve fought it, but like I said I was forced into taking the deal. I've never been in trouble in my life and do own guns. I actually have an M4 still and was never told to return it or turn it into the local authorities.... As if I would. Looks like I'm gonna have to go about obtaining arms a different way or just wait until my case is sealed in a year
Sorry to say, if you expected anyone here to be able to

find some way you could circumvent due process,

it's not going to happen.

Perhaps if you become a Constitutionalist, and start

actively participating in government, and politics, you

can help change some of the crappier laws, in this great nation,

OP. Till then, your chances of successfully procuring an "ARM"

at a LGS, are ZERO, unfortunately.

I would get your money back, and warn your friends

about the chowderhead at your LGS, if what you

say is true.
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Well in my case it was a victimless crime that's got sure and I am a caretaker who was growing medicine for my cousin who was involved in a horrific bike accident and is disfigured as a result of it. I was we'll within my rights and would hAve fought it, but like I said I was forced into taking the deal. I've never been in trouble in my life and do own guns. I actually have an M4 still and was never told to return it or turn it into the local authorities.... As if I would. Looks like I'm gonna have to go about obtaining arms a different way or just wait until my case is sealed in a year
And just how is one "FORCED" to grow pot? There's more to this story than is being told methinks..................just sayin
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Well in my case it was a victimless crime that's got sure and I am a caretaker who was growing medicine for my cousin who was involved in a horrific bike accident and is disfigured as a result of it. I was we'll within my rights and would hAve fought it, but like I said I was forced into taking the deal. I've never been in trouble in my life and do own guns. I actually have an M4 still and was never told to return it or turn it into the local authorities.... As if I would. Looks like I'm gonna have to go about obtaining arms a different way or just wait until my case is sealed in a year
I'll go ahead and preface this by saying I'm only 23, so if you want, you can blow of what I'm about to say as some kid who doesn't have a damn clue as to what he's talking about...but here it is:

I've had the opportunity to sit though many English and Speech classes, all of which require you to write some sort of persuasive paper/speech. There is always at least one kid who writes his paper on why marijuana should be legal. The speeches are always the same..."I don't do it but I have a friend who has this and that and has to use it for medicinal purposes." Yet you can always tell the guy giving the speech is only making the argument cause he wants to be able to smoke all the time without having to worry about getting busted. I know there are doctors out there who advocate it, but strangely enough I have yet to hear of any reputable doctor who does.

But here's what I really wanted to say. Even if the medical conditions that it supposedly helps are truly a legitimate reason for legalizing it, why would you want to? What is the point of living life if you barely have a clue you're in it? I'm the type person that would rather be in pain but in a right frame of mind than to be pain free but not have a clue I'm in the world. Because the truth of the matter is, all those people out there who advocate the legalization of marijuana are only using the people who actually suffer from glaucoma or pain or depression in the same way that our current administration is using the victims of all these mass shooting to promote their gun agenda. When the dust settles at the end of the day, they could give 2 ****s about those people, they just want their agenda passed.
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There is a long known issue with medical marijuana use...it is legal in your state but it us still considered a crime by the feds. Unfortunately the transfer of a firearm by a federally licensed dealer falls under federal jurisdiction. Best advice has already been given, get a good firearms lawyer or try to get your money back. If legal in your state try to purchase privately where no NICS or 4473 is required. Just be certain your gun ownership is not prohibited by your plea.
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I'll go ahead and preface this by saying I'm only 23, so if you want, you can blow of what I'm about to say as some kid who doesn't have a damn clue as to what he's talking about...but here it is:
Yep. By the time I was around 35, I finally came to realize that at 23 I didn't really know sh!t from Shinola about anything that really mattered.
(A+ on most research papers notwithstanding)

More experienced folks politely blew off my rants, and rightfully so.

The 2A is not black and white. Nothing in the constitution, the statutory law, the scripture, the Kama Sutra or anything else is.

Written words on paper can be a useful guide and tool, but PEOPLE run the world, not paper.
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Yep. By the time I was around 35, I finally came to realize that at 23 I didn't really know sh!t from Shinola about anything that really mattered.
(A+ on most research papers notwithstanding)

More experienced folks politely blew off my rants, and rightfully so.

The 2A is not black and white. Nothing in the constitution, the statutory law, the scripture, the Kama Sutra or anything else is.

Written words on paper can be a useful guide and tool, but PEOPLE run the world, not paper.
Must have sucked to have been a self-aware dumbass. Glad I DO know sh!t from Shinola. By the time I was 18 I finally realized that a lot of people over 30 are arrogant condescending dicks who think that just because someone is "young" that they can have no insight as to the way the world works.

But if you could please elaborate, what about the 2nd amendment is not black and white? I have given plenty of reasons to back up my opinion, but you have given only one reason to back up yours...your age. But forgive me if I don't consider that in and of itself a credential for your knowledge on the Constitution. So where exactly are these grey areas?
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Must have sucked to have been a self-aware dumbass. Glad I DO know sh!t from Shinola. By the time I was 18 I finally realized that a lot of people over 30 are arrogant condescending dicks who think that just because someone is "young" that they can have no insight as to the way the world works.

But if you could please elaborate, what about the 2nd amendment is not black and white? I have given plenty of reasons to back up my opinion, but you have given only one reason to back up yours...your age. But forgive me if I don't consider that in and of itself a credential for your knowledge on the Constitution. So where exactly are these grey areas?
While many people over 30 are arrogant and condescending dicks, it's mainly because of who they are as a person.

I know many more arrogant and condescending dicks under the age of 30. they are this way because many of them are freshly out of college and think they know everything. I've put many a 2LT who had that attitude in their place.

Younger people can glimpse into the workings of the world, but they won't have real, actual knowledge. That comes from experience, which comes from age.

Sorry, but you do come off as one of those "young know-it-alls" that think they have answers they really don't.
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Age isnt a precursor to intellect but it does increase ones possible scope of insight into life and other important things. Ive gained most of mine through trial and error, making mistakes and reflecting on them and trying to avoid making them more than once. I do learn from everyone regardless of their age but learning and teaching are two different things altogether, I dont learn cause they are teaching me, I learn cause I observe and listen. I will say that my emboldened confidence was much greater at 18 than it is at 52, that boldness has been replaced by measured competence based on "been there, done that" not brilliance.

Ive had some recent challenges working with 2 younger technicians in my group that while being great guys and hard workers; they also have some School taught ideas and principles that dont really exhibit the type of character or work ethics that will carry them through life well but Im working on them daily and they are responsive for the most part. I had some of those same flaws before the US Army taught me what the meaning of teamwork really was.

As far as the OP and thread goes, this isnt something that can be fixed here, as others have said, you should get a good lawyer. It would be a good idea not to espouse thoughts of anything illegal you may choose to do that could be used against you in your fight to gain your rights back, Bob the Fed rues the day and your situation is already compromised by their tricks, do yourself a favor and dont paint a red X on your forehead . Unfortunately, any support you may gain here wont help you there but I wish you the best.

Those of us that seek to change the laws we disagree with tend to do it from the POV that hasnt been convicted of breaking it, once your labeled as a felon, your attempts may be perceived as self serving.
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While many people over 30 are arrogant and condescending dicks, it's mainly because of who they are as a person.

I know many more arrogant and condescending dicks under the age of 30. they are this way because many of them are freshly out of college and think they know everything. I've put many a 2LT who had that attitude in their place.

Younger people can glimpse into the workings of the world, but they won't have real, actual knowledge. That comes from experience, which comes from age.

Sorry, but you do come off as one of those "young know-it-alls" that think they have answers they really don't.
I only become one of those "young know-it-alls" when someone tries to talk down to me. I don't mind people having differences in opinion and I definitely don't always believe mine is right. I'm always open for new ideas and new ways of looking at things. If someone is going to have a difference of opinion than I am, fine, tell me why. But I'm not going to go along with "yeah I use to think that way when I was young and a moron too and didn't know any better."

It's funny how when I hear a lot of older people talk about the good ol days and what wrong with my generation, one of the things they say is that we are losing our ability to think for ourself and we're being taught to just go along with the crowd. Yet here I am simply stating my opinion and telling why I believe that way and I get "yeah by the time I was 35 I realized I didn't know anything at your age." So I'm confused. Am I supposed to be able to think for myself or am I just supposed to sit back and go along with everyone else's ideas, even if I don't agree with them, until I am old enough to myself be able to have my own opinion and the only reasoning I need to back it up with is "because I'm older than you and know better"?

So my question still stands...if I am just a young, arrogant know-it-all, someone please explain to me where the grey areas of the 2A are? I'm open to the idea, I just need to hear a reason why.

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