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Old 07-30-2013, 12:30 AM   #51
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Now that I do agree with, theres to many ex cons that have no fear in going back. I know a guy now who's in his early 30s and getting ready to go back in for a felony dui. Has spent about 1\3 of his life being bars. Instead of paying for a lawyer or doing whatever it takes to stay free (stop doing dumb things) he intends to just do the time and resume life when he gets out. The sad thing is he has a 12 year old daughter and has spent more time in prison than free since she's been born.
i'll bet if he spent an actual ten to fifteen doing hard labor from sun-up to sun-down, his priorities would change. by the time he got out, his taste for alcohol would probably have vanished as well. sad his daughter is being deprived of a father because of his stupidity. another thing that might happen, is that he might deprive himself of a daughter because of that same stupidity.

i have theory or philosophy, that only stupid people end up in jail or prison. they either did something stupid are they are stupid. i have known people and even employed people that were ex-cons, and fully realize that people sometimes make mistakes that land them in prison. some, when they get out, want to reform themselves and return to society as productive members of that society. they learned from their mistakes and want to go about their lives in peace. but some with the way the current judicial and correctional systems don't care to rehabilitate themselves, as they have no fear if the happen to return to prison.
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Now that I do agree with, theres to many ex cons that have no fear in going back. I know a guy now who's in his early 30s and getting ready to go back in for a felony dui. Has spent about 1\3 of his life being bars. Instead of paying for a lawyer or doing whatever it takes to stay free (stop doing dumb things) he intends to just do the time and resume life when he gets out. The sad thing is he has a 12 year old daughter and has spent more time in prison than free since she's been born.
It sounds like the person is a very selfish man. He's going to do what he does and that's that. This is nopt a good way to think when you have little ones. The time to be selfish flies away When we by choice or action bring another human onto this world.

I'd imagine that many people like this would change their way of thinking if the penalties where more cut and dry and there was none of the plea bargains and early releases we see in our system now. But...maybe not. And the one that pays the largest is the child. Too bad he can't see that.
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I agree, but there's a lot of people out there the exact same way. if one thing doesn't work why keep doing it the same way. If prison doesn't rehabilitate then it's time to try something new... like hard labor, or hell...maybe even military service
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I agree, but there's a lot of people out there the exact same way. if one thing doesn't work why keep doing it the same way. If prison doesn't rehabilitate then it's time to try something new... like hard labor, or hell...maybe even military service
I disagree with using the military for criminal rehab.

Best case, 1 out of every 20 will go straight.

Worst case, you just made many more proficiently deadly criminals.
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I disagree with using the military for criminal rehab.

Best case, 1 out of every 20 will go straight.

Worst case, you just made many more proficiently deadly criminals.
to some degree i can agree with that Mason. that it would be dependent upon the person and the charges filed and whether it was a misdemeanor or a felony charge.
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to some degree i can agree with that Mason. that it would be dependent upon the person and the charges filed and whether it was a misdemeanor or a felony charge.
There were a few guys that I went through Basic with that were given the option of either enlist or jail. Both multiple misdemeanor convictions, but were under 18 until the day they signed the enlistment papers.

One actually turned out okay. The other, he's a permanent resident of the Fort Leavenworth prison.

Personally, if whatever sentence isn't working, keep making it harder until it does. Absolutely bring back smashing big rocks into little ones.
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There were a few guys that I went through Basic with that were given the option of either enlist or jail. Both multiple misdemeanor convictions, but were under 18 until the day they signed the enlistment papers.

One actually turned out okay. The other, he's a permanent resident of the Fort Leavenworth prison.

Personally, if whatever sentence isn't working, keep making it harder until it does. Absolutely bring back smashing big rocks into little ones.
i like the way you think Mason!

but the problem is that the penal system needs as much overhauling as does the judicial system. both need to get aligned and working together. stiffer penalties and no plea bargains first of all. found guilty, serve the full sentence. none of this good time served crap. recieve a ten year sentence, they serve ten years.

other part of the problem is many or most DA's are elected. to get re-elected, they go for high conviction ratio numbers. it looks good to the voters and gets them re-elected. IMO, they should do their jobs and seek the maximum and quit playing the numbers game and let's make a deal, so they look good to the voters. serve the people and give the victims justice. if they would do their jobs and find the evidence then they could get good strong conviction numbers and not have to make deals. but by making a deal on a lesser charge or making a plea arrangement, they dont have to work as hard.

the penal system needsto be run by people that understand that those in prison are there because they messed up and need to be removed from society. that they are there to serve time and are being punished and it's not a vacation. they need to learn that by rolling them our of bed before daylight, and putting them to working, doing hard manual labor until the sun goes down.

but these things won't ever be again, because of too many liberals and too many people that think that would be cruel and unusual punishment. that they should be rehabilitated. well after a person served a full sentence of ten years, doing hard manual labor, he would be pretty inclined to make sure he got himself rehabilitated so as not to go back. they need to bring back the death sentence for certain crimes and quit warehousing many of the ones they do. a person convicted of being a serial killer and mentally unstable is not ever going to be rehabilitated. childmolesters, serial rapists, repeat criminal drug pushers. throw the switch on them. they can't be rehabilitated. why keep them around by giving them several life sentences without possiblity of parole. so that person is just being warehoused at a cost to the taxpayers. he isn't coming out of prison alive, so why keep them alive? what purpose does it serve? none IMO. just another burden on the system.
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I agree except maybe in the case of a repeat violent offender
That's where my logic comes in though...if they can't be trusted with all their constitutional rights, they shouldn't be let out of their cage. They're either free or they're not. There can't be a "well you are, but not to do this or that or buy this or buy that."
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That's where my logic comes in though...if they can't be trusted with all their constitutional rights, they shouldn't be let out of their cage. They're either free or they're not. There can't be a "well you are, but not to do this or that or buy this or buy that."
It's easy to see things in black and white when you're very young. (At least it was for me) As you age, they become a bit more grey.

Winston Churchill said: "If a man is not a socialist at 20, he has no heart. If he's still a socialist at 40, he has no head."


Your perception of the world changes as you gain life experience. (You won't believe that now, but it will happen)

Formal education is a wonderful thing, but it's not a substitute for life experience. Unfortunately, that is a lesson that cannot be taught, but must be learned individually.
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It's easy to see things in black and white when you're very young. (At least it was for me) As you age, they become a bit more grey.

Winston Churchill said: "If a man is not a socialist at 20, he has no heart. If he's still a socialist at 40, he has no head."


Your perception of the world changes as you gain life experience. (You won't believe that now, but it will happen)

Formal education is a wonderful thing, but it's not a substitute for life experience. Unfortunately, that is a lesson that cannot be taught, but must be learned individually.
i can agree with that! the way i see things now on some subjects is much different than i did thirty years ago. as you grow older and gain more life experiance and hopefully more wisdom, your viewpoint on things do change.
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