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dewey 06-26-2010 05:30 AM

At what point would you disarm?
 
I watched a video the other day and a LEO.(dont know if he was ATF,FBI, or WTF) came to a gun range to speak to a guy. As I remember it, the guy was running for some office, like the Senate.(I never heard of him, and dont know why he was contacted by the LEO.) The LEO. ordered everyone to disarm and turn off the video recorder.
My question to you is: at what point will you willfully disarm if asked or ordered to do so? I am not inclined to disarm at the request or order to do so. (especially on private property). I can think of ONE off the top of my head. There could be others. I would turn my weapon over to authorities if I had fired the weapon (in a case of self defence) and the law needed it to pursue an investigation.
What about a traffic stop? I was pulled over once, and informed the trooper of my sidearm, but he wasnt bothered by it.
Just wondering who has thought this through.

RadioActiV 06-26-2010 05:35 AM

If you could; could you post the video or the link to the video? I would like to see this video.

skullcrusher 06-26-2010 06:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dewey (Post 306252)
I watched a video the other day and a LEO.(dont know if he was ATF,FBI, or WTF) came to a gun range to speak to a guy. As I remember it, the guy was running for some office, like the Senate.(I never heard of him, and dont know why he was contacted by the LEO.) The LEO. ordered everyone to disarm and turn off the video recorder.
My question to you is: at what point will you willfully disarm if asked or ordered to do so? I am not inclined to disarm at the request or order to do so. (especially on private property). I can think of ONE off the top of my head. There could be others. I would turn my weapon over to authorities if I had fired the weapon (in a case of self defence) and the law needed it to pursue an investigation.
What about a traffic stop? I was pulled over once, and informed the trooper of my sidearm, but he wasnt bothered by it.
Just wondering who has thought this through.

If I am holding a firearm, and a LEO orders me to put it down, I will. I am addicted to life. If the gubmit makes a law that says to turn them in, then I will have to enlighten them about how they were all lost at sea during the FTF boating accident. Sad day that was...:(

You do realize that private property is only private when law enforcement is not around, right? Now, if an officer shows up at my door and asks to look around for guns, then they have to abide by my 4th Amendment rights.

Good question, but a bit misleading or this could be a fishing expedition? Your motivation for this is what?

pandamonium 06-26-2010 06:17 AM


here ya go!

bigbad-ratman 06-26-2010 11:53 AM

I think there is more to that video than we are seeing right now. But to answer the question, the moment a uniformed officer, or someone who identified themselves as such and produced something stating that they were LEO, (a badge, a vest, a lanyard around their chest etc.) I would lower my weapon. At a gun range where someone "just wanted to talk to me", I would holster my weapon and leave the camera running.

bkt 06-26-2010 12:22 PM

There's a difference between disarm and "stop shooting". If someone asked me to please stop shooting so he could talk to someone, that's fine. Hopefully, he'd have the smarts to pull that person aside and walk away from the range so everyone could resume.

But if someone asked me to hand over a weapon and there was no good reason, then I'd...resist. Let's put it that way.

Also, in the case of the Feds being jerks, I'd walk a few yards away and call the sheriff and ask him or her to come down seeing as he or she is the law enforcement officer with the most authority in a county and the sheriff can tell the feds to scram.

ALSGUN 06-26-2010 01:00 PM

I don't know what the laws are, but if an LEO asked for me to put down a weapon, I would comply and worry about the legality and the rights later. Right or wrong, there are to many bad things that could happen to me or others around me.

Tackleberry1 06-26-2010 01:02 PM

BKT + 1

If your asked to cease fire or disarm by an LEO who is acting in the course of their duties, then do so.

If you feel there out of line, call your County Sheriff and get a lawyer.

TACK

Dzscubie 06-26-2010 01:16 PM

Iíve just spent the last 10 minutes listening over and over to the video and trying to hear what the agents say when the video first starts but it is not easy because the music is loud and overlaid the agents first statements. But from what I can hear the agents before they get out of the car ask if everyone is unloaded and Mr. Black states everyone is unloaded and itís alright. At no time does the agent ask anyone to unload or put down their gun he just ask if everyone is unloaded. This is normal for an officer when they approach a number of people when weapons are out and visible. The agent ask the subject if he would step to the back of the truck to talk and he declined and said he was fine right where he was and the agent did not push the issue and let the guy stay where he wanted. His wife was a little smart mouthed and pointed at the truck and said that is the back, when it was clear the agent was just trying to be professional and meant the back of the truck away from the public. I donít know why the agents wanted to talk to Mr. Black and the video does not clarify that, however, from watching the video the agents were professional, polite, and non-aggressive and seemed to be just doing a field interview. Other than them physically being there and wanting to ask some questions would someone please tell me where the ďharassmentĒ is?

danf_fl 06-26-2010 01:49 PM

Two things come to mind.
1st, 2 Okaloosa county deputies shot at a gun range (one was a close friend) while trying to serve a warrant.
2nd, Does having a "cold" range means disarming? The girl seemed to be walking out on the range during the interview.


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