[bkt]

Originally Posted by stickhauler

That is incorrect, "Fast & Furious" was a Department Of Justice operation, not the BATFE's. Read up on it some, and you'll find it was ran directly out of the Department Of Justice office in Phoenix. ATF agents voiced their concerns on the operation, and were told to shut up, or change jobs and go to work for Sheriff Joe.

There are plenty of reasons to dislike the ATF, this one ain't on them.

Ken Melson, acting ATF director, went along with F&F just fine. The FBI, also an agency of the DoJ, was in on it, too.

Bottom line, F&F certainly was concocted at the DoJ, Holder, Breuer and others knew about it, and the ATF and FBI carried it out.

And this wasn't just out of Arizona. It is believed similar operations took place in Texas and Florida at the same time by the same agencies.

[KalashnikovJosh]

If anything,Operation Government as Gunrunner,also referred to as Watergate With Homicide,is a glaring indictment of the Obama administration and the propensity for abuse of power in ANY administration.
If anything comes of this,it should be an understanding that as Acton said- power corrupts,absolute power corrupts absolutely.

The fact that we have a government that believes it can act outside of the very law it makes and enforces on the rest of us is despicable.

But whats even more despicable,is the unquestionable fact that this scandal was an attempt at intentionally making it appear as though there was a need for a reinstatement of the so-called "assault weapons ban".
This was,no doubt about it,a false flag operation conducted by the Obama administration against our inalienable rights.

This government has too much power,and part of that expanse of authority is the enforcement arm of the federal government,those agencies we lovingly refer to as the Alphabet Soup Squads.

Nowhere in the Constitution of the United States does the federal government get the authority to police the union in so many ways,under so many acronyms,and with so many expensive police agencies-THAT WE HAVE TO PAY FOR.
As I pointed out in my previous post on this subject,Thomas Jefferson well described the criminal jurisdiction of the federal government as being a limited in scope power.
And yet,now we have a multitude of agencies that enforce everything form illegitimate "gun control" "laws" to raiding producers of RAW MILK.

You want to cut government spending and reduce fraud,waste and abuse?

You want the government to obey the Constitution?

Time to put the ASS agencies on the chopping block............

[therewolf]

The truly glaring omission here is Obama denies any knowledge

of the workings of his government agencies. It would be bad

enough, if he admitted he knew what was going on,

but when he claims no knowledge, he seems to have

NO CONTROL over HIS agencies, and NO CONTROL

as POTUS.

[KalashnikovJosh]

"Plausible deny-ability" should be an indictable offense.

[bkt]

Originally Posted by KalashnikovJosh

"Plausible deny-ability" should be an indictable offense.

There's a catch-22 in there. How do you prove it??

[therewolf]

My point is, if he admits it, he looks like President Satan.

If he denies it, he looks like a COMPLETE MORON who

has no idea what's happening around him in his own DOJ

and oval office, whatsoever

at all. He's chosen the

"Nah, I'm just a COMPLETE MORON!" route.

And here's RATHER ELEGANT PROOF THAT HE KNEW.

If he'd actually been unaware, and wasn't lying, then he'd punish

people who made him look this bad, and cost him so many votes.

But, since he's involved up to his armpits, he's aware that if he does

anything to his co-conspirators, they'll point the finger at him.

So he buys their silence with promotions and raises, instead of

throwing them in prison.

[KalashnikovJosh]

Originally Posted by bkt

There's a catch-22 in there. How do you prove it??

Lol!!

But........It can be proven every time a politician opens their lying mouth...........

[fmj]

Originally Posted by KalashnikovJosh

Lol!!

But........It can be proven every time a politician opens their lying mouth...........

How do you know they are lying???
























Because, their lips are moving!

[neilage66]

Car trouble again?

[thdrduck]

"Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!"