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Old 11-13-2011, 05:18 PM   #11
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Damn Josh! To think all this time i thought the ATFE was a CONVENIENCE STORE and not a GOVT agency!!!

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Out of curiosity, gunny, why did you ask?

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Old 11-13-2011, 05:21 PM   #13
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ATF - BATFE; Bureau of Atrocities, Tragedies, Fiascoes and Entrapment.

LMAO!!!! Well played, well played indeed!
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Out of curiosity, gunny, why did you ask?

I just wasn't sure what it meant.
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Look up Ruby Ridge, Waco and Fast & Furious. That will tell you all you need to know. It's an out of control illegal agency that goes against everything our Constitution stands for, crushes the Bill of Rights with its every act and commits treason as a matter of course.

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Alright I will thanks

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It sounds like a GREAT place to work.

WHERE ELSE can you commit atrocities and felonies for

which your own organization would throw anyone else

in prison,
and walk away with fat raises and promotions,

instead?

We should all request an employment application...

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The ATF is a tax collection agency when it was under Treasury, but now that it's under Department of Justice it still collects taxes and it enforces law, virtually none of which are constitutional.
....yea...what he said ^^^^

It goes all the way back to 1886 as a part of the Bureau of Internal Revenue called the "Revenue Laboratory"!!

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Gunny-

Also do a search for "David Olofson".

This man was thrown in prison and now bears the scarlet letter "F" on his "permanent record" for having a semiautomatic rifle malfunction when being used by a friend at a gun range.

Forgetting the FACT that the Second Amendment protects the right of the people to have arms and that the intent of the Founders was that the people should have the same arms as the military; you also have to gauge the issue of what is considered a "crime".
When olofsons rifle malfunctioned,had he or the actual shooter done,intended to do,or otherwise committed an actual crime involving the violation of another persons rights?

NO>

But he did offend the Great Benevolent Government that has deemed We The People unworthy of the Second Amendment in its entirety- unless we follow certain procedures,obey certain rules,pay certain taxes,and align ourselves with whatever they call "law".

This is above and beyond tyranny.

When the government can call you a criminal for violating rules it sets forth,which in turn are created against the law that government is supposed to obey,and further are rules that serve no purpose in the prosecution of those who violate the rights of other people- its downright TREASON against the Constitution and the very Principles of Liberty that this nation was founded on.

Here is something about the Olofson -

http://www.firearmscoalition.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=192&Item id=37

And as we've been telling you about the BATFE,the federal government and how out of control it is,I'd like to formally welcome you from the United States of America,The Republic with Democratic Elective Process Under Constitutional Law established by our Founders who fought tyranny to create a new land of liberty and government under The People,to the brave "new deal" Utopian "grand society", manipulated into creation as the bastard child of "progressive socialists" who have used judicial activism and outright FRAUD and BLACKMAIL to "interpret" themselves the power to institute their Grand Utopia.

Welcome to the Peoples Demokratik Socialist Nanny State of Amerika.

Here you WILL obey government mandate,or else the government will use force via its illegitimate police agencies to MAKE you obey.
And God help you even if you are a "law abiding citizen",because one little mistake and *poof*, government then thinks it can "take" your rights.

Because in THIS utopia,nanny state knows best and all will obey for the good of the children and the world and the environment and the collective as a whole.

Liberty is what they say it is and rights are mere privileges administered by government.

Which can be REVOKED any time government pleases.

Again-

Welcome to the Peoples Demokratik Socialist Nanny State of Amerika.

You hang out here with us "right wing Constitution loving Christian bible beating (lol I'm sort of an Atheistic Jew) homegrown terrorists" too long,and you'll feel like Alice in the Rabbit hole.

For starters,if you want to find out just how EVIL "gun control" is,go here-

http://www.firearmstalk.com/forums/f97/origins-gun-control-act-1968-warning-long-26881/

Its a long read,but in my opinion,a necessary educational experience.

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The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (BATFE aka the ATF) deals with everthing involving alcoholm tobacco, firearms, and explosives. They inforce the laws that surround them, and sometimes tries to create new ones.

We don't like the ATF. Ever here of operation Fast and Furious? It was their fault and they are blaming the 2nd Amendment for it. They pretty much want to do away with the 2A or make it very hard to get a gun.
That is incorrect, "Fast & Furious" was a Department Of Justice operation, not the BATFE's. Read up on it some, and you'll find it was ran directly out of the Department Of Justice office in Phoenix. ATF agents voiced their concerns on the operation, and were told to shut up, or change jobs and go to work for Sheriff Joe.

There are plenty of reasons to dislike the ATF, this one ain't on them.
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