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danf_fl 01-18-2013 11:10 PM

We have ideas what won't work...
 
But what ideas can we come up with to reduce firearm violence?

I would like to see more enforcement of current firearms laws and, should a firearm be used in a criminal activity, mandatory jail time with no plea bargain for such time.

Marlinman 01-18-2013 11:23 PM

How about disposing of criminals period like they used to do back in the old days. I don't mean hanging petty thieves. I mean murderers amd rapists getting shot or hung. Things like that w almost no jail time so therefore less expense for tax payers.

Warrior1256 01-18-2013 11:23 PM

I would agree with that along with armed security in schools like those private schools that the elites send their children to.

Marlinman 01-18-2013 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Warrior1256 (Post 1099830)
I would agree with that along with armed security in schools like those private schools that the elites send their children to.

Would agree w which?? I'm just askin for clarification

dog2000tj 01-19-2013 02:43 AM

1 - repeal the laws that DO NOT reduce gun violence
2 - enforce the laws already on the books
3 - I have no problems with background checks
4 - straw purchasers ... 20yrs in jail
5 - gun thieves ... 20yrs jail
6 - violent crimes committed with guns ... 20yrs in jail
7 - if a gun owner willingly/unwillingly does not store their weapons in a safe manner ... removal of firearms
8 - disarm beat cops ... if they are under no obligation to put themselves in harms way than they can make a call and wait for armed backup


that should be an infinitely better start than what Biden's group came up with :cool:

rocshaman 01-19-2013 02:50 AM

Don't forget murderers. I think anyone that takes someone else's life, no matter what the weapon, should never see the light of day again. Either execute them, or lock them up and throw away the key.

dog2000tj 01-19-2013 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by rocshaman (Post 1100100)
Don't forget murderers. I think anyone that takes someone else's life, no matter what the weapon, should never see the light of day again. Either execute them, or lock them up and throw away the key.

you mean like the guy in Brewster NY who killed his grandmother with hammer :mad: ..... funny, I don't recall a hysterical outcry to ban hammers :rolleyes:

VoodooSouth 01-19-2013 03:00 AM

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Originally Posted by dog2000tj (Post 1100091)
1 - repeal the laws that DO NOT reduce gun violence
2 - enforce the laws already on the books
3 - I have no problems with background checks
4 - straw purchasers ... 20yrs in jail
5 - gun thieves ... 10yrs jail
6 - violent crimes committed with guns ... 20yrs in jail
7 - if a gun owner willingly/unwillingly does not store their weapons in a safe manner ... removal of firearms
8 - disarm beat cops ... if they are under no obligation to put themselves in harms way than they can make a call and wait for armed backup


that should be an infinitely better start than what Biden's group came up with :cool:

Hi!

I agree with 7/8ths of your points.

Number 7, however, causes me some concern. Don't get me wrong - having three young children in my home, I am all about safe storage. It is a must and in my mind there's no question about it.

However, how would this legislation be enforced? Should we gunowners allow random inspections of our homes?

If we throw out the 4th Amendment, why not the 2nd? (And yes, I know the 4th Amendment has been gutted, but I hope you get the gist of my point).

Overall, I say that safe storage is up to us to enforce, and is something we should pass down to our children, right along with our beloved firearms.

:)

Mosin 01-19-2013 03:08 AM

How about a positive firearms campaign, with PROPER training, and making firearm carry more accessible.....

Wanna dry up gun crime overnight?.... Repeal the drug laws. Make dope worthless.

Wanna stop crazed gunmen?... More CCW end gun free zones, or opt to have cops/armed security if you don't want CCW at your school.

Boom...
Gang bangers have nothing to fight over.
Mexican cartels are out of the picture.
End to gun "free" zones will dry up that wet dream.


Now you're left with sporadic violence, and heat of passion murders... and a lack of guns aint gonna stop a guy from killing his wife, things like that.

Mosin 01-19-2013 03:10 AM

To add. I find it funny, that during prohibition, there was so much associated violence that they made booze legal again...
But in the drug war, there's so much violence...that they.... scrap the constitution???.....


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