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Kimber45 07-24-2010 07:26 PM

Washington Times Editorial: UN Threatens 1st and 2nd Amendments
 
[Washington Times Editorial: UN Threatens 1st and 2nd Amendments
Today's Washington Times features an editorial about the UN's Arms Trade Treaty. They call it a threat to both the First and Second Amendments of our Constitution. Of course, they are right. The editorial follows on the heels of a report released by the Heritage Foundation on the UN and "arms control".

Theodore Bromund, one of the authors of the Heritage Foundation's report, is quoted as saying that he thinks micro-stamping will be included, that there will be some sort of gun registration and licensing system, that this licensing system will cover both guns and ammo, and that there may even be restrictions on trade between private individuals.

The Washington Times takes a dim view of the whole thing as well as the role of the Obama Administration in it.
Any U.N. Arms Trade Treaty will undermine freedom around the world. The right to bear arms is an individual's protection against oppression anywhere. It took herculean efforts by George W. Bush's administration to thwart this U.N. power grab a few years ago. Unfortunately, we now have a left-wing White House working to make this dangerous treaty a reality.]

Kimber45 07-25-2010 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by belercous (Post 319960)
The Washington Times? I hope you don't take them seriously. They're not very well respected in the world of journalism. The paper is a big money loser (that's why the Moonies have been trying to sell it), and it was an op/ed.

Any treaty our gov. enters into cannot trump federal law. If a treaty we sign does, such part of the treaty is not valid or binding upon us unless and until we change federal law.
Same goes for any treaty which is unconstitutional. Anyone really think we're gonna pass a constitutional amendment restricting our rights for a treaty with, well, anybody? Not gonna happen.

Than where do you get your news? MSNBC, CNN, or . . . ? And you can go right on believing this current or any administration is going to follow the Constitution. The Bush's didn't, old "i didn't have sex with that woman" didn't, nor did the peanut turd and just how far back must we go to find and honest politician? Lincoln? God help us but I do not trust any congressional rep that has been in office for more than two terms. I believe that if it will benefit them they would sell the UNITED STATES and it's citizenry down the drain in a heart beat. Unconstitutional you scream? What about the health care taxes, or the US-mexican border being the safest it's ever been, what about taxes upon taxes, what about taxation without representation, what about these wars we are involved in where key congressional members fight against them in one administration and then turn right around and support the next administration in getting more of OUR UNITED STATES fighting men and women KILLED. You get your news where you want but when I see a leftist liberal newspaper like this saying the things that I've been hearing from conservative rags I pay attention. And do you really believe that any news source out there is not spinning every single news piece they print.
Honest politician? No f'n such thing and you can bet they are not listening to any of us. Vote? LOL! I guess some people still believe in the easter bunny and santa claus. Our system of voting is so corrupt that it is worthless.

freefall 07-25-2010 06:56 AM

I too have voted for many 3rd party candidates in presidential elections. It does send a message. Unfortunately the message that seems to be inferred is that there is a small percentage of cranks and contrarians whom the politicians can't please and had thus just as well forget them.

bkt 07-25-2010 06:07 PM

First, treaties that do not supersede other parts of the constitution are treated as the Supreme Law of the Land. But treaties that DO supersede the constitution are usually not ratified. Even if they are, challenging them in court usually nullifies the treaty. If even that doesn't happen, individual state legislatures have the legal right of nullification and can refuse to abide by the law/treaty if deemed unconstitutional.

Second, laws, treaties and other legislative or judicial mandates to not establish our rights. The Bill of Rights does not give us rights, it merely acknowledges that we have them. Rights are unalienable. That means they cannot be taken away. We would be acting within reason and within the law if and when we disregard anything that seeks to deprive us of our rights.

Third, the Washington Times is a very good paper. The Washington Post, on the other hand, stinks out loud.

Angry_bald_guy 07-25-2010 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by bkt (Post 320115)
Second, laws, treaties and other legislative or judicial mandates to not establish our rights. The Bill of Rights does not give us rights, it merely acknowledges that we have them. Rights are unalienable. That means they cannot be taken away. We would be acting within reason and within the law if and when we disregard anything that seeks to deprive us of our rights.

This is what will end up causing violence if they try to do away with the 2nd Amendment.

JonM 07-26-2010 12:40 AM

its no biggee. UN talk pfft. no one seemed to care when John McCain took a huge dump on the constitution and wiped up with the bill of rights when he wrote the mccain/feingold campaign finane bill. republocrats flocked to his worthless socialist ass in the 08 primaries leaving us with a choice between a socialist POS or a socialist POS... so what if a buncha UN thugs and dictators run their yaps. no one pays attention to much past the last set of commercials on TV anyway.

Kimber45 07-26-2010 03:03 AM

" BBC, the Christian Science Monitor and NPR. They report the news, not slant it."

Ah BULLCRAP! The BBC hates America and the NPR is the American version of Pravda. The washington times or any main stream newspaper conservative? LOL! You are out of your mind! There is not one conservative newspaper in America and there is only one half-way-kind-of-sort-of news channel that leans a wee bit to the right, way to moderate in their reporting the news, and that is Fox. MSN, CNN and the rest are just an extension of this socialist administration. The sooner we rid ourselves of the incumbents the better off America will be. Tar and feathering is too good for the likes of many in congress, I think the real answers is a stout tree with a sturdy limb in which a rope can be thrown over.
Here is a LIBERTARIAN site that clearly shows the direction this administration and many past administrations are leading us.

Communist Manifesto 10 Planks

and to close out I leave you democrats/liberal/socialist with this comment;
Norman Thomas said this in a 1944 speech:
“The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of “liberalism,” they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.” He went on to say: “I no longer need to run as a Presidential Candidate for the Socialist Party. The Democratic Party has adopted our platform.”

noremf 07-26-2010 06:18 AM

The_SRV: Chain Email claims Obama and Clinton engineered a total gun ban in US
What do you think?:eek:

Angry_bald_guy 07-26-2010 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by noremf (Post 320379)

My signature says what I think. They better bring body armor.

bkt 07-26-2010 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Angry_bald_guy (Post 320158)
This is what will end up causing violence if they try to do away with the 2nd Amendment.

Yes. That's exactly how 2A is supposed to work: We have the power to visit violence on those who would seek to take our natural rights away, and those who might try to do that know it.


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