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Old 07-31-2012, 08:14 PM   #21
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The Constitution has been null and void for quite some time now.

What they're really afraid of is people waking the phuck up and recognizing they live in the Peoples Demokratik Socialist Nanny State of Amerika,and not the Constitutional Republic of the United States of America.

In the PDSNSA,your free to do those things the government says your allowed to do.Your free to comply willingly with the edict of the agendists and social engineers who run the government.Your free to die in wars of empire,your free to work your ass off to earn a fiat dollar that is taxed so that others can be free to collect welfare and not work.

Inalienable,un-infringeable rights?

Nope- you will have government permission when they say you do.

Lawfully limited government?

Nope- try government that regulates everything from the amount of water in your toilet to what you can and cannot grow on your own property for your own use (wickard vs. filburn).

And to sum on topic,the most glaring evidence that you are NOT free,is that the government,in its infinite wisdom and endless benevolence,has literally demanded that you no longer have the most cherished of property rights -the right to your own body- because they decree that you are not "allowed" to consume certain substances that they have deemed "illegal".

If property ownership is the cornerstone to liberty,and taxation to support a nanny state is wrong,then how much more evil is it for government to demand that it can control the most hallowed and private piece of property you own by telling you what you can and cannot consume?

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I was expecting a strong debate on this thread but it looks like everyone agrees that the War on Drugs does provide excuses for the War on Gun Ownership...

Nothing like believing you had an epiphany only to discover your actually late to the party!

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Old 08-01-2012, 07:25 PM   #23
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I think you'll find that more and more people are sick of big government "solutions" that really don't deliver,but end up costing us money and liberty.

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I think you'll find that more and more people are sick of big government "solutions" that really don't deliver,but end up costing us money and liberty.
That's true. But are enough of us getting sick of it to elect a congress, and state legislatures, and city councils that will address these issuies.


Or will we continue to vote for whoever offers us the biggest benefits handout, and/or whoever our labor uinion or church leaders tell us to vote for?

Will we give up "Obamacare" to keep our freedom???
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Yes...I'll give up Obama Care! And with the exception of the Army, Navy, Air Force, and Marines, I'll give up every other Federally funded agency.

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I am pretty sure that If 50% of the US Gov was cut from the budget, we would all survive pretty AOK. Gotta keep the Armed Forces and the ICF (Ice Cream Flavors department).

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Honestly?

I think enough of us are truly sick of it that the moment theres an opportunity,theres gonna be states ceding from the union..........

I often talk about the concept of nullification and interposition of the states.

The interesting thing is that there are issues from the REALID act to Obamacare that have prompted the states to enact laws that contradict these federal usurpations.

While it seems to have lost steam in light of more recent events,my favorite recent piece of this sort of state nullification is the "Firearms Freedom Act",and 8 states have enacted it.

Look at tall the different issues on this page:

http://tenthamendmentcenter.com/the-10th-amendment-movement/

In any case,the lame stream brainwashed might want to say this is an attempt to go back to the slave era or pre-civil rights era because *gasp* the big out of control federal government is an absolute necessity for maintaining the status quo.

Then you see states are trying to pass laws that contradict the marijuana laws and the gun control laws- two issues historically steeped in racism.

No one wants to bring back slavery.

But with so many issues affecting so many people and a federal government that demands power in each and every one and in each and every Americans' life,it was really only a matter of time before states started nullifying and interposing as a matter of natural cause and effect; with nothing else they could do to protest this insanity,they began interposing over the REALID act back in 2006 or so.

The anti-REALID state legislation was mostly about unfunded federal mandates,but a few courageous states went further and demanded to know where the federal government derived the authority to institute a national ID scheme in the Constitution.
A proper reading of that document establishes the federal power clearly,and these states saw no power thus.

Of course,give it to the SCOTUS and they'll FIND power for such a thing,but that still doesn't make it legitimate.

And for the record- acts of nullification and interposition like this haven't been seen since the Civil War.

We are on the cusp of a revolution,whether it will be peaceful or not is really up to the tyrant -the out of control federal government- and judging by their attempts to centralize and militarize state and local police into a national police authority,degrade protections of the Bill of Rights for the people against it,evade other laws that demand its restraint in actions directed at the people,malfeasant judgments from the courts giving it power where it doesn't have the right to such,etc,etc.............

Revolutions aren't peaceful not because of the wish of the oppressed for war to resolve the issues which concern them,but because of the use of force of the oppressor in maintaining his power when his rule is challenged.

We have every right to challenge a government that refuses to live within its own bounds,and believes itself to have every power to the extent that it resembles not the Republic founded by our ancestors,but the oppressive totalitarian monarchy that our founders fought a desperate and bloody war to separate from.

Whether or not the government will recognize that right and acquiesce to obey their masters -We,The People- remains to be seen.

Personally,I think that theres a good possibility that economic collapse is right around the corner.

And that will be the spark that ignites the powder keg.

Am I hoping for it?

No.

I'd like my business to be profitable and I'd like to live in peace and leisure.

But that may not be a possibility and I'm willing to accept the fact that I might have to give up peaceful pursuits in order to ensure that The Cause of Liberty is defended and maintained.

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I am pretty sure that If 50% of the US Gov was cut from the budget, we would all survive pretty AOK. Gotta keep the Armed Forces and the ICF (Ice Cream Flavors department).
nope, not even if Gov't were to shut down ... completely. They would still run a deficit due to the welfare obligations and interest alone there was a video posted just recently here on FTF where an accountant breaks down the US budget -very simply explained, very well though out. Scary to have it put in such simple terms
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Wow......thats shocking information dog200tj.

But I'm not surprised.

When the government runs out of credit,and when it runs out of other people's money,and when they can print no more.....and when that 15 (very soon to be 16) trillion dollar debt comes due and no more borrowing and fiscal denial can stop it........

What do you thinks gonna happen then?

Will we have reached the progressive socialist's Utopian "great society" then?


I'd just love one of these big government types to explain that to me...........

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Wow......thats shocking information dog200tj.

But I'm not surprised.

When the government runs out of credit,and when it runs out of other people's money,and when they can print no more.....and when that 15 (very soon to be 16) trillion dollar debt comes due and no more borrowing and fiscal denial can stop it........

What do you thinks gonna happen then?

Will we have reached the progressive socialist's Utopian "great society" then?


I'd just love one of these big government types to explain that to me...........


no you wouldn't ... you would know within 3 seconds that they were lying and kick him in the teeth
the video is on here somewhere, just posted within the last 2 weeks or so. The accountant spelled it out very clearly, showing the budget charts, used simple terms. It was indeed shocking ... that the Gov't could shut down completely and still not be able to cover it's obligations based on it's current revenue. Based on historical data and forecast projections he cited that the US would hit $26 trillion in debt by about 2020


Short answer - taxes must go up and/or welfare must be cut
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