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Tackleberry1 07-29-2012 03:32 PM

War on Drugs = War on Guns?
 
Am I the only one who sees a direct "you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours", link between the War on Drugs and the War on Gun Owners?

Since the 1960's our Nation has continued to escalate a campaign against illicit drugs after outlawing a product that the Constitution gives them ZERO authority to regulate in the first place.

These actions have created a lucrative black in market for both guns and drugs offering obscene profits to anyone violent enough to control a teritory and ruthless enough to kill anyone who gets in there way.

Unlike our adversaries, I'm NOT blaming the death tolls on our freedoms. I am laying blame for the death toll at the feet of our Government. A Government that has illegally regulated substances, imprisoned people for what they choose to injest, and in doing so, created the black market violence that is then used as an exuse to infringe on OUR 2A liberties.

A cursory glance at history proves an earlier attempt to use "mind altering" substances and Governments need to protect its citizens from them as the excuse to greatly expand Gonernment and Law Enforcement powers.

We know ^^THIS^^ as prohibition and our ancestors were smart enough to figure out what was going on and repeal it.

The running gun battles on American streets driven by illicit alcohol profits were not ended by the magical G Men of the FBI or by regulating full auto weapons. It ended when the illicit profits that fueled it were removed by the consumer who could now buy a safer, cheaper, and legal product from there now legal liquor store.

For half a century our "supposed"'allies on the right have been protecting there sacred cow known as the War on Drugs by capitulating with the Left who's driven to "do something" to protect there inner city pet constituents from gun violence. Violence created soley by the combination of the welfare state and the ridiculous proffits available in the drug and gun black markets.

Pro gun advocates, with the exception of perhaps Ron Paul, have completely failed to recognize the connection and blindly supported the War on Drug to the detriment of our own 2A freedoms.

We've done ^^THIS^^ because many of us buy into the same hand wringing liberal fear mindset that if legal, addiction would become rampant. The streets would be lined with addicts stumbling through life, creating more crime, and injuring more innocents in search of there next fix.

So I ask all of you, when was the last time an alcoholic held up a gas station or mugged a woman in a park in order to feed there booze addiction?

When was the last time illicite booze smugglers murdered a border partol agent?

When was last time Canadian booze lords murdered 55,000 Canadians so they could continue funneling cheap whiskey into the US?

These fears are no more rational than the liberal fear that the streets would run red with blood if we passed CCW. Contrary to the anti gun spin doctors, motorists have not begun gunning each other down over fender benders. This was an irrational argument used to protect the special interest of gun control.

The argument against legalizing drugs is the same Trojan horse meant to protect the current special interest of Law Enforcement funding and political power.

End the War on drugs and the Violence that fuels support for Gun Control goes with it.

Reaching these conclusion requires only that you study the history of controlled substances and the recognition that Goverments motivation is NOT the protection of it's citizens but rather in obtaining the additional power garnered by scaring it's citizens into allowing the increased powers that will eventually lead to there enslavement.

Tack

bkt 07-29-2012 03:48 PM

Yes, there may very well be a link. The "war on drugs" is a round-about justification for gun control and increased power for the government.

Is it possible our public education system, in which parents of students have little or no say in how things are run or what the curricula are, a justification for property taxes thus turning us all into serfs? After all, if you must pay property tax to fund schools, you don't own your own land, do you? You rent it.

There are probably many other cause/effect links if we paid closer attention.

ellis36 07-29-2012 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by bkt (Post 886053)
Is it possible our public education system, in which parents of students have little or no say in how things are run or what the curricula are, a justification for property taxes thus turning us all into serfs? After all, if you must pay property tax to fund schools, you don't own your own land, do you? You rent it.

This is so true! It wasn't so painful in the years before the '60's, when the schools were run by the local school board, which, in turn was composed of members of the community. The school board oversaw the budget, hired and fired the teachers and the principal and had some say in what subjects were taught. The state chose the textbooks, best I remember.Truly a 'community school.' Then the Federal government began sticking it's fingers into the pot and we have what we have today. We still pay property taxes in order to keep our homes and land, but we have absolutely NO say in what the school system does. From the lunch menu to school hours to school curriculum, it's 'Federal Guideline,' which is really 'Federal Fiat.'

Tackleberry1 07-29-2012 04:24 PM

Guys, you are absolutely correct on the property tax/school issue. I'm paying over 7k per year...and increasing...despite loosing 80k in value over the last 4 years.

However, this thread is about the link between the War on Drugs and Gun Control. Let's stay on point. :)

Tack

willshoum 07-29-2012 04:42 PM

Alcoholics unanamus.....
 
We all know that to much indulgence in both causes problems. I'm a or use to be a working alcoholic.....Yes I like my beer, I haven't smoked a joint since the 70's.... Make the dam stuff legal and tax the sh$t out of them....And if the stuff your using causes a problem with your job, then we will put you on a chain gang fixing what needs fixing.......You either cut the head off of the consumer or just say $$$$ it..........If you do away with the drug user you are half way there........:mad::mad::mad:

bkt 07-29-2012 04:44 PM

Sorry. I was trying to validate your point with another example, is all.

You don't have to think very hard to understand the "war on drugs" is a sham. The 18th amendment banning the sale, possession, consumption, manufacture or distribution of alcoholic beverages was done because the federal government otherwise lacked the authority to ban booze.

There is absolutely no goddamn legal authority for the federal government to ban ANYTHING that 3/4 of the state legislatures have not ratified a proposed amendment to the constitution to GRANTING the federal government the authority to ban. The entire "war on drugs" is illegal. All of the expenses, all of the lives lost, all of the incarcerations, all of the busts...completely illegal.

So there goes the legal and moral authority of the federal government. The next step is to ask "so why are they doing it?" There are at least a few answers.

First, as tack says, it's a way to impose firearm limitations.

Second, it's a way for the government to impose a power play between their idea of criminals and the rest of us.

Third, it's a way to extract more resources from taxpayers to fund prisons, rehab institutions and all the support personnel that involves. Essentially, it's the justification for more taxes.

dog2000tj 07-29-2012 07:41 PM

I'd love to see some investigative journalism on the costs for the War on Drugs - both in dollars and lives :eek:


I think if the world knew how much life and money was being pissed away they would take pitchfolks and torches to their leaders :cool:

locutus 07-29-2012 07:56 PM

The best way to fight the war on drugs is to legalize them, and let the FDA make sure the stuff being sold is PURE!

Shooting up the pure stuff, they'd all OD and die within a week and the problem would be solved!:p:D:p

Tackleberry1 07-29-2012 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by locutus (Post 886262)
The best way to fight the war on drugs is to legalize them, and let the FDA make sure the stuff being sold is PURE!

Shooting up the pure stuff, they'd all OD and die within a week and the problem would be solved!:p:D:p

Sure...but then you'd loose all the new tax revenue from repeat customers?

alsaqr 07-29-2012 09:38 PM

After Prohibition political critters should have learned their lesson about banning stuff. In the past 40 years millions of young people have been made felons because they used dope. More dope is coming into the US than ever before.

Does anyone else find it strange that politicians and the politically connected never go to jail for their involvement in dope peddling? Here in OK; a Lawton pharmacist sold enough Sudafed at six times the retail price to make 50 pounds of meth. He was given a fine and probation because he was one of the anointed: Haskell Evans was a member of the OK board of health. Meanwhile: A woman with no criminal record went to prison for selling a few grams of her meth stash.

The "war on drugs" is a sick joke. The US government is bankrupt, its time to end this feel good scam.


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