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Old 02-24-2013, 12:28 AM   #21
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I'll call B.S.

I'm A veteran and know many veterans and I have not heard of any of these going around.
Bingo!! It is BS.

i'm a disabled veteran rated at 80 percent: 100 percent of my medical care comes from the VA. i know dozens of veterans with PTSD, TBI and numerous other ailments. Some of them are nuttier than a fruitcake. None of them have ever gotten such a letter from the VA. None of them have ever been asked if they own guns by VA doctors.

Yesterday and today i have spent hours attempting to de-bunk this BS on four other sites. This BS has been making the rounds of the web for years. About every 3-6 months there is another outbreak because some self serving idiot is trying to score political points with veterans or just stir up crap.

Any idiot can jump on the web, claim to be a distinguished lawyer, judge, expert or sexual intellectual. He can then drone on about all kinds of conspiracy crap.

The reporting of "incompetent" veterans to the FBI began when the Clinton VA gave the FBI names of tens of thousands of vets who were deemed incompetent to handle their own affairs. General Shinseki, who runs the VA, says they no longer do this.

It involves veterans who are deemed by the VA to be incompetent to handle their own affairs and where a fiduciary (trustee) has been appointed.

The guys at this website are combat veterans. They are staunch advocates for veterans and their rights:

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If anyone knows ANY VETERAN who has been adjudicated as incompetant to handle his fiduciary stuff, but who isn’t absolytely BAT**** crazy (and/or) who hasn’t threatened to kill themselves or others, than contact us. Seriously. I looked for months and months, and never found one. I’d find someone who was almost perfect, and then we’d find out how he threatened to kill his mom or himself. If you know an actual person that shouldn’t have had this happen, JUST CONTACT US.

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I have to agree with ALSQR on this matter. I am a veteran myself and I help other veterans get to the VA when they need medical care. I also help them wrangle the maze of paper work that the VA produces for every sick veteran. I have never seen any letters such as the one posted in this thread. I am not saying the letter doesn't exist. I am saying that it is not widespread. One of the thresholds for competency is being able to handle your financial affairs. Many conditions that render one incapable of handling their financial affairs would prevent one from buying a firearm. Veterans RKBA are not being violated on a wide scale.

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when i see it ; i'll believe it ? until then it,s another rumor !

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It's a movement at VA and the law, technically, if someone wants to interpret it that way as I understand it, and a bigtime veteran's advocate suppports it. He says that if the gov't has to put someone in charge of your financial affairs they can't expect you to be competent enough to have a firearm. It is a measure of mental capacity. Maybe they're right, I dunno.

How far gone does somebody have to be to not be able to pay a bill and have someone else take that over for them? Enough not to have a gun either!?

The actual news:

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/02/22/is-the-veterans-affairs-dept-trying-to-preventing-some-vets-from-owning-guns/

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My BS detector also going off on this. You have to be VERY f*cked up for them to determine mental incompetency. And I don't mean PTSD. PTSD doesn't mean a person is a dangerous lunatic. People who survive bad car crashes or house fires can have PTSD.

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Have not received anything of the sort from my VA. But they have been slightly nudging me into a psychiatric interview with a on-site psychiatrist. Don't know why? But I refused each time. Don't want to even have on my record I had seen one (I don't believe in them anyway), as that might reflect negatively on my CCW.

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So we allow this practice and we label the VA as gun grabbers.

So we don't allow this practice and someone who is clearly insane and it's documented by the VA goes and buys a gun and kills a bunch of people and we label the VA as evil for allowing this known crazy to walk among us.

They can't win.

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Hey guys I am a member of three veteran groups, and at one was a volunteer for many years at the local 400 bed VA Hospital that provides medical care to over 240, 000 patient visits per year. Never heard of any action to remove the rights of the law abiding veteran because of PTSD or any other medical problems. With that said I am sure that a very small percentage that have, as many civilians have, lost their rights because of violations of the law.
Before the Vietnam conflict, WWl, WWll and Korea, PTSD was referred to as "Shell Shocked".

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The vast majority of vets who are "incomptent" to manage their own affairs have asked to have a guardian appointed. The guardian is normally a family member, sometimes a friend.

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My BS detector also going off on this. You have to be VERY f*cked up for them to determine mental incompetency. And I don't mean PTSD. PTSD doesn't mean a person is a dangerous lunatic. People who survive bad car crashes or house fires can have PTSD.
My BS meter pegged out the first time i read this trash.

Tens of thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands, of vets have PTSD. i know numerous vets with TBI/PTSD: Some are crazier than loons. None have been declared incompetent by the VA.

BTW: i would rather believe the veterans advocates for the DAV, the American Legion and the VFW than some ambulance chaser who prints a hit piece on a website that is notorious for misinformation, exaggerations and lies. The fact that the DAV, VFW, Vietnam Vets, and all the other veterans organizations are not all over this thing should tell us something.
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