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Default Unconstitutional Laws "For Our Own Good"

I wrote this in response to one of my centrist buddies on a local blog Ive hung out in for years. She's a good woman but she has bitten the "For Our Own Good" apple a few times too many. She's clueless to cause and effect, conditioned well by Republicrats to beg them for the answers that only we ourselves can provide.


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There were very few gun regulations and not many "Mass Shootings" the day I was born. 51 years later, we have lots of regulations, more on the way and lots of murders and other sad events almost daily. Add to that the biggest criminal mass murder events that have occurred during my lifetime were committed with poison, Fertilizer and Boxcutters and Im sure were chasing the wrong ghost.

Times have changed but we dont have an increase in gun ownership to point our fingers at, percentages of owners are actually down to the lowest rates in 4 decades- http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/10/us/rat....wanted=all&_r=0 .

So why the increase in gun related murder when we have less guns percapita than 1961? Some blame military technology advances like the ARs and AK's as the biggest cause but the Browning Machine Gun and Thompson Repeater and others have been around decades longer than I have so that cant be the problem. The Thompson was a huge player in the last major mass killing fields in the USA but that was during Prohibition (now were getting somewhere).

Others blame Crazy folks for causing the increase in these crimes but thats nothing new. Weve had loonies in our midst's since the beginning of time. Something that has changed on that front is the medications we treat crazy people with are relatively new. Most of which have warnings on them that are worse than what they were meant to fix. (More direct linkage with the real issues).

Some blame the lack of Capital Punishment as a reason folks go Gonzo but because most of them kill themselves or die via "Suicide By Cop" before they receive their punishment, that really cant be the problem. Its interesting to note that most of the punks that do kill others have a record a mile long before they do their final act, few ever spend any time in lockup, most get released and commit even worse crimes. (This is a smoking gun if Ive ever smelled one).

Bad times get lots of finger pointing as the culprit but most of those who commit crimes against innocent kids and others dont come from poverty. The poor people cant afford 1000 rounds of 5.56 and a $1500 "Black Military Style Weapon". Poor criminals use cars, bats and knives to kill. Even Gang Bangers are more likely to do a NY Reload than use a High Capacity Magazine and a long rifle (NY Reload is having 5 or 6 cheap revolvers in your high capacity pockets). Thugs sell drugs and sex and will do anything to protect their business interests.

50 years of more anti gun laws and all of that time, these tragedies keep increasing right along with it! Can you show me a single law that has lowered the instances of these crimes. There hasnt been one because there have never been more of them than today. Exactly the same as gun laws, there never been more in this country than when the British owned us!

What has proven to stop violence of all types?
1- Natural Rights and Freedom cured oppression and enslavement for us and our slaves! The end of Prohibition put the last breed of Drug Dealer out of business but when we tried to ban drugs and sex for sale, we gave them a whole new trade!

2- Drs with less mental health training than a nurse need to Stop giving our children fistfuls of Psychotropics without requiring them to be monitored by someone with the appropriate training and background.

3- Troubled Children only turn into troubled adults! Teachers, Parents and other professionals working together not fighting like children. Troubled children need to be removed from public schools before they go gonzo. Teachers and other students most often say things like, "He was always a screwed up kid" after one of these things happen.

4- Put the onus of good and bad on the person, act and deed; not the tool they use as against helpless children. Junior wasnt a horrible kid because shot Children, he was terrible because he Injured and Killed Children. As fast as we try to remove possible tools of destruction, Junior will find another way, hes crazy, not stupid!

5- Restoration of unalienable rights not limitating rewards the civil, not the criminal. United we stand and behind a single set of rules we all must live by, our BOR's. Shouting Fire in a empty Movie Theater isnt an Illegal act, no laws are broken unless your actions violate another Humans BOR's.

Unfettered is unfettered, freedom of speech is not to be limited; where no crime is committed, no punishment is required; restriction or withholding on a humans Natural Rights is a crime punishable equally under the law of man.
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As we often declare, over 100 million gun owners hurt no one with a firearm today. You like many Americans are caught up in the Ban firearms frenzy. Their are all manner of crimes and accident in this country every day.
The Left has and continues to Demonize firearms. They know they can sway American opinions with a negative 24/7 news cycle. They did this with cigarettes and tax the rich etc.
It seems to be working when gun owners are looking for excuses to own firearms.

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Firearms do not cause violence. The loss of our moral compass ans acceptance of social decay and moral relativism cause crime and most of our other problems.

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As we often declare, over 100 million gun owners hurt no one with a firearm today. You like many Americans are caught up in the Ban firearms frenzy. Their are all manner of crimes and accident in this country every day.
The Left has and continues to Demonize firearms. They know they can sway American opinions with a negative 24/7 news cycle. They did this with cigarettes and tax the rich etc.
It seems to be working when gun owners are looking for excuses to own firearms.
The press and government focus is directly on School shootings as our biggest threat and thats a farce. They account for less than 1% of the Murders in the United States, the 99% are crimes that occur in addition to other crimes not sole acts of violence. Modern day Prohibition, a turnstile border and the black market are the sources of most violent crime not dark hostile teens.

When it comes to the few hyped teen killer "Tragedies", guns are not the problem, people who watch young weeds mature without "managing" them are. Most of us are born with a certain amount of mental instability that may or may not manifest itself over our lifetime. Anti Gun laws seem to have increased with the insanity, more deaths occurring in spite of them not less due to them, why would more laws help when the ones we have dont?

Mental instability is the largest single common thread with this type of senseless violent act, the perpetrators all have histories longer than the 12 minutes of explosive destruction they will be remembered for. Drs and Educrats are drugging kids with psychoactives that they themselves admit they dont even understand how or why they do the things to the mind they do.

Americans are fixers, we truly believe all things that are bad can be made good somehow if we just try hard. Were also lazy, take a pill and call me in the morning is much easier than sustained and constant vigilance over controlling our children's foundations, surroundings and activities.

In the end, it wont be the adults that spawned and nurtured the killer that get the blame, its guns! Whackos and thugs all have the same thing in common, 2 DNA Donors per Zygote! If I created a virus that infected and killed 20 people, I would be charged with a crime!

If junior turned out to be a Rocket Scientist, his parents and teachers would be there for the photo opportunity and take as much credit as they give their little scientist. Where are the parents and teachers of the killers when they turn out to be bad byproducts of their making?
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While the long term effects of the prescription drugs I'm sure have not fully been studied. I think the more shootings are caused by the declining economy. More and more people down on their luck and can't figure a way out. The majority of shooters aren't children, the ones involving children are just the most dramatic shootings. The publicity all the shootings get is a way for them to get their gun banning agenda through, and they milk the ones involving children to get their way.

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While the long term effects of the prescription drugs I'm sure have not fully been studied. I think the more shootings are caused by the declining economy. More and more people down on their luck and can't figure a way out. The majority of shooters aren't children, the ones involving children are just the most dramatic shootings. The publicity all the shootings get is a way for them to get their gun banning agenda through, and they milk the ones involving children to get their way.
During the depression, people down on their luck killed themselves after losing everything, not others. It wasnt uncommon to find a suit-coat nicely folded on the bridge and a body floating down the Genesee River on any morning.

The shootings they highlight as reason to react are not Economic related, they are whacko kids with a death wish. Most are being treated for some type of Mental Illness and all have sent up red flags over their short lives.

Leave it to Republicrats to crucify a weapon for doing what it was made for while they completely gloss over the fact that the Kids on Legal Brain Altering meds are killing folks as a side effect. Why do we know this, because the side effects are listed for all the world to see, Suicide, Depression, OCD, erratic and other undesirable things are very often present in Med-created-Zombies.

A close friend of mine died of lymphoma not long after taking a now popular medication (Embrel) to relieve his progressive joint damage from rheumatoid Arthritis, that warning was on the label.

My wife tried to take her own life as a young woman while she was being chemically treated with Prozac for depression, (On the Label)!

Mother had Parkinson's for 12 years before she died and half way in she started hallucinating and had many other old age onset mental issues, all were caused by two drugs her Neurologist threw in for good measure, once removed, she shook no worse but stopped seeing the children playing in the back yard (On the Label).

Anyone that remembers the Thalidomide babies back years ago born without arms and legs probably shuddered when they heard its now being used to treat other illnesses (Just not in women of Child bearing age).

I would guess most of you have the same OMFG reaction as I do when I see a 60 second Drug commercials where 40 seconds of it are used to describe possible horrific side effects.

Web MD- The following side effects are associated with Prozac Oral:

Common side effects of Prozac Oral:
Throat Irritation Less Severe
Sinus Irritation and Congestion Less Severe
Dry Mouth Less Severe
Indigestion Less Severe
Drowsiness Less Severe
Dizzy Less Severe
Chronic Trouble Sleeping Less Severe
Excessive Sweating Less Severe
Involuntary Quivering Less Severe
Rash Less Severe
Loss of Appetite Less Severe
Head Pain Less Severe
Yawning Less Severe
Feel Like Throwing Up Less Severe
Diarrhea Less Severe
Nervous Less Severe
Feeling Weak Less Severe
Anxious Less Severe

Infrequent side effects of Prozac Oral:
Hives Severe
Chills Severe
Trouble Breathing Severe
Feeling Restless Less Severe
Hyperactive Behavior Less Severe
Problems with Eyesight Less Severe
Abnormal Dreams Less Severe
Ringing in the Ears Less Severe
Abnormal Heart Rhythm Less Severe
Widening of Blood Vessels Less Severe
Incomplete or Infrequent Bowel Movements Less Severe
Inability to have an Erection Less Severe
Itching Less Severe
Hair Loss Less Severe
Joint Pain Less Severe
Fever Less Severe
Flu-Like Symptoms Less Severe
Taste Problems Less Severe
Weight Loss Less Severe
Excessive Thirst Less Severe
Fast Heartbeat Less Severe
Heart Throbbing or Pounding Less Severe
Cough Less Severe
Chest Pain Less Severe
Gas Less Severe
Frequent Urination Less Severe
Stomach Cramps Less Severe
Confused Less Severe
Sexual Problems Less Severe
Altered Interest in Having Sexual Intercourse Less Severe
Problem with Ejaculation Less Severe

Rare side effects of Prozac Oral:
Neuroleptic Malignant Syndrome Severe
Serotonin Syndrome - Adverse Drug Interaction Severe
A Spasm of the Larynx Severe
Bronchospasm Severe
Stomach or Intestinal Ulcer Severe
Hepatitis caused by Drugs Severe
Bleeding of the Stomach or Intestines Severe
Inflammation of Skin caused by an Allergy Severe
Erythema Multiforme Severe
Seizures Severe
Swollen Lymph Nodes Severe
Throwing Up Severe
Abnormal Liver Function Tests Severe
Life Threatening Allergic Reaction Severe
Giant Hives Severe
Reaction due to an Allergy Severe
Allergic Reaction causing Serum Sickness Severe
Low Amount of Sodium in the Blood Severe
Increased Risk of Bleeding Severe
Behaving with Excessive Cheerfulness and Activity Severe
Mild Degree of Mania Severe
Having Thoughts of Suicide Severe
Grinding of the Teeth Less Severe
Abnormally Low Blood Pressure Less Severe
Abnormal Bleeding from the Uterus Less Severe
Sun-Sensitive Skin Less Severe
Loss of Memory Less Severe
Uncoordinated Less Severe
Difficult or Painful Urination Less Severe
Low Blood Sugar Less Severe
Mood Changes Less Severe



The drugs were created For Our Own Good so were just supposed to accept negative side effects like murder, death and brain damage as the price we pay for better health. Legislation that vilifies a device like a Gun for doing exactly what it was created to do with no unforeseen side effects FOOG is more than idiotic, its a sham. If nearly all of the school shooters they point at as the largest threat have treatment with Antidepressants in common (They do), why not state the facts, the legal drugs they were on often have worse side effects than the Ill they were designed to cure!
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Webley, they can't state the facts, showing that the blame is on the person/meds the person is on and isn't on the tool used. That would go against their agenda.

More so in very recent times, than years ago, society has become very impatient. If they can't have something right this very second, it is of no use to them (or, more realistically, they cry like little babies). While I enjoy the technological improvements we've seen just over the last decade, it has made society worse, not better. The post office isn't fast enough for a corresponance? We got email. Can't wait a few days to get your film back from CVS? We get 1 hour photo. Can't be bothered with that? We get digital cameras (and now they are on our cells). Can't be bothered to carry change for a payphone or wait til you get home to make a call? We got cell phones. Can't be bothered to talk to someone (supposedly a friend) directly? We got texting.

This trend followed into places it should never have been allowed.

The Criminal Justice System isn't working fast enough, because the investigation just started 30 seconds ago? Let's rush to trial, where the prosecution is not ready - that way more and more people like Casey Anthony can get a free pass.

This also spilled over into medical R&D. We need a way to treat this illness, disease or mental disorder, and we need it yesterday. Okay, cool, no problem. Let's make something that won't really treat the problem, but will give you so many more issues that you won't notice the initial problem (okay, maybe not exactly like that, but very close).

Bottom line is that until society can show some restraint, nothing will get fixed. Good thing the progressives will never understand that (also a bad thing, as they'll just keep making things worse and worse).

And just to be clear, I do agree with you.

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Webley, they can't state the facts, showing that the blame is on the person/meds the person is on and isn't on the tool used. That would go against their agenda.

More so in very recent times, than years ago, society has become very impatient. If they can't have something right this very second, it is of no use to them (or, more realistically, they cry like little babies). While I enjoy the technological improvements we've seen just over the last decade, it has made society worse, not better. The post office isn't fast enough for a corresponance? We got email. Can't wait a few days to get your film back from CVS? We get 1 hour photo. Can't be bothered with that? We get digital cameras (and now they are on our cells). Can't be bothered to carry change for a payphone or wait til you get home to make a call? We got cell phones. Can't be bothered to talk to someone (supposedly a friend) directly? We got texting.

This trend followed into places it should never have been allowed.

The Criminal Justice System isn't working fast enough, because the investigation just started 30 seconds ago? Let's rush to trial, where the prosecution is not ready - that way more and more people like Casey Anthony can get a free pass.

This also spilled over into medical R&D. We need a way to treat this illness, disease or mental disorder, and we need it yesterday. Okay, cool, no problem. Let's make something that won't really treat the problem, but will give you so many more issues that you won't notice the initial problem (okay, maybe not exactly like that, but very close).

Bottom line is that until society can show some restraint, nothing will get fixed. Good thing the progressives will never understand that (also a bad thing, as they'll just keep making things worse and worse).

And just to be clear, I do agree with you.

Truth is, I tend to dwell in what I see and live more than what others say outside my CNY Bubble. The number of people Ive seen phucked up by legal drugs and legal Alcohol consumption outnumber the parasites 10 to one. I wouldnt take one of those daily mood stabilizers if you paid me. Ive got my own methods of stabilization that have worked fine all my life.

Im not giving them a pass cause they had a rough life, were a bit whacky or maybe nuts (been accused of being off my rocker before myself); I know lots of crazy folks and they dont kill kids in schools. Their surroundings, TV upbringing, Video Game pill popping lives cause them to do absolutely irrational and unexplainable things.

Things havent changed that damn much in 30 years but Medicating America sure has, just ask the trillion dollar industry that 30 years ago was a couple aspirin and fertilizer companies.
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………..Mother had Parkinson's for 12 years before she died and half way in she started hallucinating and had many other old age onset mental issues, all were caused by two drugs her Neurologist threw in for good measure, once removed, she shook no worse but stopped seeing the children playing in the back yard (On the Label)…….
Back in the ’80’s, Mother started having memory lapses. Dad took her to their local doctor who wrote her a prescription. Not long after she started seeing, in her mind, long lines of children at the door waiting to be fed.
Dad woke up one night to find the house full of smoke, all four burners on the stove turned to high and Mother pouring food stuff into pans on the stove…to fed the hungry babies. Being this was before Google, I went to the library and looked up her prescription in a medical journal. The side effects were exactly what she was experiencing. I made a copy of the page, my Dad showed it to her doctor, and his response was: "If you don’t want to take the medicine I prescribe, find yourself another doctor!”
I tried to convince him just to stop giving it to her but he kept following doctors’ orders, stayed awake every night to watch her…..until his heart failed from the stress.

My wife has diabetes, and in the course of exams and blood tests her doctor decided to prescribe her Crestor…not because her cholesterol was high but ‘just as a precaution.’ Within five days she couldn’t get out of her chair, she couldn’t walk to the bathroom without stopping to rest. Her urine looked like stump water. And her mental state was such she couldn’t figure out what was causing it. I had to hide the Crestor to keep her from taking it (‘I’m supposed to take it!’) Her doctor had scheduled a checkup a month down the road. I believe, had she continued on the medication she wouldn’t have lived a month.

I find it laughable that commercials for prescription drugs are nothing but a litany of side effects that ‘may be experienced.’

“Ask your Doctor.”

Yes, indeed! Good luck with that!
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My wife was taking a hypertension medication along with all the other meds she takes. Now that she's retired, her stress level has gone down, even with her illness.
I screwed up and I dropped the ball on this one. I looked it up and found that one of the side effects could be confusion. Why would you prescribe that for a person with Alzheimer's? Since I take manage her meds, I eliminated it this week.

We both have doctor appointments this coming Monday. I'll see if any BP meds are still even necessary and if so, have him substitute something else.

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