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**robocop10mm** · 10-05-2011, 10:10 AM

That is kind of funny. A few months ago I shipped a stolen/recovered handgun to the rightful owner who now resides in a small municipality in Lake County, IN. It is nice to see that criminals are getting their just deserts, even if they happen to wear a badge when they commit their crimes.

There was a similar situation round these parts a few years back. A neighboring Sheriff's Office allowed Deputies to purchase Ruger AC-556 rifles on agency letterhead. The scheme was legal as they could keep the guns as long as they were employed by that agency. If they ever left their agency, they had to sell the gun to another employee (at or below the original price) who would then keep it as an issue gun. Things got sticky when the Sheriff died and a new guy stepped in. He found records that his agency owned several machine guns, but could not determine where they actually were. He called ATF for assistance. ATF tracked all of them down. One was in possession of a State Trooper who never worked for the Sheriff's office.

ATF gave them the option of giving up the gun or face prosecution. I guess the main difference in the situation was they were not reselling to God knows who for a profit.

hoodweisen · 10-05-2011, 10:22 AM

not full auto cop an robbers related but in my small town (4000 pop) our cops decided they needed a harley davidson. I mean really a harley davidson. But yet my neighbors are still cooking dope.

**trip286** · 10-05-2011, 01:53 PM

They'll find a way to prove it's our gun store owners' faults. Did you guys know that border state gun stores have been selling fully automatic weapons to Mexican cartels for years?

therewolf · 10-05-2011, 05:09 PM

I guess the ATF took "Don't steal, the government hates

competition." to heart...

BenLuby · 10-05-2011, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by trip286

They'll find a way to prove it's our gun store owners' faults. Did you guys know that border state gun stores have been selling fully automatic weapons to Mexican cartels for years?

Isn't there an additional license one must have to even sell those types? I know that you can't buy one made after 1986 unless you're law enforcement, so, doesn't that also mean that they can't even sell them?

**TekGreg** · 10-05-2011, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by c3shooter

Not to split hairs, but LEOs cannot purchase post 86 full autos. LE AGENCIES can, but not for transfer to an individual. If they were acquiring Class IIIs as an agency purchase, then illegally transferring them to other persons, they are looking at a LONG time in a Fed Pen.

Correct, C3, that's what I meant was in their enforcement duties they could purchase them through their agency who actually owns the firearm. You weren't splitting hairs, it's an important distinction! Thanks for pointing it out.

**alsaqr** · 10-05-2011, 07:09 PM

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I know that you can't buy one made after 1986 unless you're law enforcement, so, doesn't that also mean that they can't even sell them?

The gun can be sold to another LEO in the same department, no one else.

ttolhurst · 10-05-2011, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by alsaqr

The gun can be sold to another LEO in the same department, no one else.

I wouldn't think it could be sold or transferred to anyone at all, LEO or not. Don't these guns have to be the property of the agency itself?

**Yunus** · 10-05-2011, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by c3shooter

Not to split hairs, but LEOs cannot purchase post 86 full autos. LE AGENCIES can, but not for transfer to an individual. If they were acquiring Class IIIs as an agency purchase, then illegally transferring them to other persons, they are looking at a LONG time in a Fed Pen.

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Originally Posted by alsaqr

The gun can be sold to another LEO in the same department, no one else.

I'm trusting C3 on this but I think he knows the details. The LEO never owned the gun it's owned by the agency or office not the officer. They might internally have some kind of system to track inventory and what officer has what gun but I believe that legally the agency is the permanent and only owner of the gun. Unless there is some exception for agencies to transfer guns which I believe there is considering when I was in the Air Force we got a shipment of M-16 A1's from the Army.

**Chainfire** · 10-05-2011, 09:36 PM

Cops are just like the rest of us, most are honest, some are crooks. The crooks usually confuse the issue that they are the law, rather than they enforce the laws.

I had a good laugh, when a few weeks ago, the "Chief of Police" in our neighboring (one cop) town was arrested, by the sheriff's dept., on a domestic battery charge. His wife was also arrested. The pair's photo appeared in the local paper, and he looked like he had the hell beat out of him. And the deputies didn't do it.

The pair's mug shots looked like a couple of meth-heads having a bad hair day.

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