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Old 12-28-2013, 10:04 PM   #21
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I have met people that should never own guns...there have been others that have killed people for no good reason because they are crazy or just mean or whatever...its a tuff thing to regulate because you don't want to stop normal people from owning guns, but you don't want to be gunned down from some deranged a-hole either...I think its just a risk we have to take to keep out 2A rights. I can identify with all types and understand where they are coming from
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I doubt you have met or dealt with violent delusional individuals. They can be as quick and coordinated as they are often determined and unpredictable. What insane people do or don't understand, you cannot possibly know. They are insane, and sometimes suicidal.

Of course they must be properly diagnosed, not just labeled. Point is, all weapons for all human beings, regardless, is a fantasy that does not serve us well.
I have worked with truly crazy folks. They don't plot and plan and go to theaters and gun free zones with firearms. They just strike out with whatever is at hand and lack the capacity to preplan such actions.

What we deal with in terms of Clackamas mall Colorado sandy hook etc is not insane people but evil people. Evil is real and plans evil acts with fore thought and malice. The insane do not and do not murder people on purpose, they fixate on one person and if they assault anyone it's seldom if ever lethal
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The founders had no idea about WMD. It is not really the point. We have lost enough elections in part because we scare people away with this rhetoric. Women won't vote with us, and the undecideds will stay home. Many of you are well aged and have convictions hard as a rock, but maybe someone can still listen.
Women firearm ownership is at an all time high. Are you saying we should compromise? Give away some of our God given rights because they scare a few Liberals? Give in to their unreasonable demands?

To hell with that! I will never stop fighting for both my rights, and everyone elses' right. No compromise period. If your willing to give up a right, then in all honestly, you don't deserve that right.

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I have met people that should never own guns...there have been others that have killed people for no good reason because they are crazy or just mean or whatever...its a tuff thing to regulate because you don't want to stop normal people from owning guns, but you don't want to be gunned down from some deranged a-hole either...I think its just a risk we have to take to keep out 2A rights. I can identify with all types and understand where they are coming from
No law has ever stopped someone from shooting up a school or theater. Gun free zones are obviously not working. The Sandy Hook shooting took place in a state with an assault weapons ban in place. Columbine happened during a national assault weapons ban and high capacity magazine ban.

The idea that a law can prevent something like this is purely a fantasy.

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compromise. means that two side meet and come upon terms that are beneficial to both sides.

at what point have any of the gun hating liberals ever given gun owners anything in return? never. they take from us and give us nothing. so you can't ever use the word compromise and gun owners in the same sentence, because we have never recieved any concessions in these so-called compromises.

anyone who thinks there is some magic law or ban or restriction that will keep them safe from bad people are naive or delusional. it's a utopian dream that will never happen in a million years. and if a person is ever confronted with evil, they will wish they had a gun. evil doesn't care about your laws or restrictions or bans. it doesn't care about 911 or the police or anything. evil will consume you and go right on about it's business. evil will come into your life and take it, along with raping your wife and daughter and killing your son and your dog, then leave and sleep the sleep of angels. evil is evil. it has no conscience or remorse, and will not weep over your demise. you will not wish for 911 or a law to protect you when it comes, but will wish for a gun if you don't have one. and if you don't think that evil exists simply from being naive or in denial, then visit a maximum hard core prison sometime and see it face to face. evil exists.
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Count me in for your 10th group good sir.
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Sort of 10,
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No law has ever stopped someone from shooting up a school or theater. Gun free zones are obviously not working. The Sandy Hook shooting took place in a state with an assault weapons ban in place. Columbine happened during a national assault weapons ban and high capacity magazine ban.

The idea that a law can prevent something like this is purely a fantasy.
Of course the fact that it's already and has been illegal to murder someone for as long as human society has existed is often overlooked. The law is there not to prevent evil it's there to punish evil acts.

When a law exists in order to prevent something it's a bad law and should be repealed. We don't need gun free zones or restrictions on firearms of any sort as we already have laws to punish murder assault and discharging firearms recklessly...
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Gun laws were established in the colonys. The first all out war with England began at Lexington Bridge. Even 250 years ago the "Brits" believed in forcing gun control on Freemen. The first major suite over the right to keep and bear arms occurred in Kentucky.
The Common Wealth of Kentucky tried to ban the use of certain firearms in 1812. This resulted in the SCOTUS ruling against the Kentucky gun grab. The confusion over the Kentucky law is blamed for many of the state militia arriving at the Battle of New Orleans unarmed. There is nothing new, only the history you have not read.
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If I might interject here a minute? The OP is to show why we cannot come together as a single voice in our gun rights. To many people believe differently to support the 2A as it should be.

In the last election how many people voted for Mitt Romney and How many voted for osamaobama? I don't want to know the percentages or how many electoral votes they got, but how many actual votes.

Mitt Romney,= 60,933,500

osamaobama,= 63,915,796

Now during the last election we has an estimated 90 million gun owners in America who were eligible to vote. Mitt Romney was not an absolute pro-gunner, but he was a hell of a lot closer then our socialist and creep is. So what happened? did Mitt get 60 million pro-gun votes? I think not, but osamaobama pulled some quasi pro-gunners (1-9) Some place along the line there is a defaecate of around 30 million gun owners who either cast their vote for osamaobama or they did not vote.

If gun owners would of stood together and said no more, osamaobama would be unemployed right now. As it looks right now the fat ass from NJ may be the repubichairs choice for the 2016 election and maybe he can pull it off BUT he is no friend of the 2A and dam well no friend of our gun rights.

Billery Klinton is a bigger supporter of gun right then crispy cream from NJ is, give that some thought.

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