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opaww 12-27-2013 03:34 AM

There are different types of gun owners.
 
Not all gun owners think alike, some are almost as much anti gun as osamaobama.

We have someplace around 85 million gun owners as of right now, and they are so divers that we gun owners cannot depend on each others for support of pro gun measures nor even who they will vote for.

Itís hard to pin down just what each type of gun owner supports but I will list the common types here that I know we have.

1. The shotgun owner. (Believes that only shot guns should be legal)
2. The hunter. (Believes that only guns made for hunting should be legal) aka bolt action rifles, and double-barreled shotguns.
3. The Black Powder shooter, (Believes that only black powder rifles and pistols are covered under the 2A.)
4. The limited, (Believes that there should be limits on types of guns owned) aka Revolvers for home protection, Hunting rifles and shotguns.
5. The licensed, (Believes most common guns are ok but they and their owners should be licensed.)
6. The Elite, (Believes that only they posses the right to own guns)
7. The semi-auto, (Believes semi-autoís are ok as long as they donít look like assault weapons)
8. The all butt, (Believes any gun should be legal to own butt High powered sniper rifles) aka The .50 cal Barrett
9. The safe stored, (Believes itís ok to own guns as long as they are kept in a government approved storage facility)
10. The Real Patriots, (Believes that anyone should be able to own any type of weapon they choose)

This list is but the few beliefs in gun ownership that I actually have run into. So they are not just wishful thinking on my part, these types of people actually do exist. Some are a mix and match from the list like, someone who believes that it is ok to own black powder rifles, and normal shot guns for hunting, or The Semi-auto as long as they are registered.

There are variations of any of the listed categories. Even in the membership of the NRA there are such a wide variety of beliefs that we cannot even get an absolute consensus of what to support. Most every group listed above says they support the 2A, but most believe that there should be some form of restriction placed on either the type or amounts of firearms, and ammo that we should be allowed to own.

The 2A is unconditional, not one anti-gun law was ever passed up until after the civil war, where (democratic) whites wanted to keep the former slaves from owning guns. Then the ball started rolling and we just got it shoved deeper and harder through out the years.

The main push right now should be to bring all gun owners and Second Amendment supporters together as one voice that is very loud and clear. The need for every gun owner to understand that any threat to gun rights is a threat to all gun rights.

opaww

QueenGlamis 12-27-2013 03:39 AM

I am in the #10 group. I do live in Arizona though and have friends with all the aforementioned guns and everyone of them I think are cool.

Mercator 12-27-2013 03:59 AM

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10. The Real Patriots, (Believes that anyone should be able to own any type of weapon they choose)
So if I believe that a runaway paranoid schizophrenic should not be able to own a 12 gauge Street Sweeper, I am not a Real Patriot?

JW357 12-27-2013 04:06 AM

I'm a pretty big fan of all firearms. If I could afford to own (and shoot!) every type of firearm I would.

I'm also a huge proponent of having an armed society. The more, the merrier.

The only restriction I believe is justified in putting on this is violent felons. But I believe they should never be allowed free of prison anyway (either that or they should be given the death penalty).

opaww 12-27-2013 04:07 AM

That is for the courts to decide and not you and I as to who is mentally incompetent to have their rights restricted. until due process of law is enacted on a person, no one has the right to decide for others what they can and can't own.

RJMercer 12-27-2013 04:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Mercator (Post 1468034)
So if I believe that a runaway paranoid schizophrenic should not be able to own a 12 gauge Street Sweeper, I am not a Real Patriot?

In a world of unregulated carry of whatever you want to own or carry, said paranoid schizophrenic would be slow to act given that good honest sane people outnumber the insane and evil 1000:1. Even insane people understand the threat of overwhelming violent force in reaction to their actions. That is one of the main reasons why the insanely evil mass shooters choose legally mandated and clearly labeled "gun free zones"..... they want to be the only person armed and thus unopposed.

Mercator 12-27-2013 04:31 AM

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Originally Posted by RJMercer (Post 1468037)
In a world of unregulated carry of whatever you want to own or carry, said paranoid schizophrenic would be slow to act given that good honest sane people outnumber the insane and evil 1000:1. Even insane people understand the threat of overwhelming violent force in reaction to their actions.

I doubt you have met or dealt with violent delusional individuals. They can be as quick and coordinated as they are often determined and unpredictable. What insane people do or don't understand, you cannot possibly know. They are insane, and sometimes suicidal.

Of course they must be properly diagnosed, not just labeled. Point is, all weapons for all human beings, regardless, is a fantasy that does not serve us well.

unclebear 12-27-2013 04:32 AM

Im gun lover mostly old war guns (m1 garand, mauser, mosins...etc) im not really into glocks or ar's i do love aks with a passion though. But honestly im all for gun ownership people just own whatever. Hell if i could afford it i would love to own the old howitzer the broke down into several pieces so it could be carried by donkies or pack horses. The only problems i have with other gun owners are the stupid ones that give other gun owners bad names and the uninformed ones that own guns but dont really know guns laws.

I cant even tell you the number of guns owners i met that thought full autos where illegal no matter what and didnt know with the proper paper work and money you could own one.

Axxe55 12-27-2013 04:37 AM

if a person truly believes in the words of the 2nd amendment as the founding fathers wrote it, then a person should be able to place themselves in group #10.

IMO, it's unconditional. there is no middle ground, what-ifs or butts. either all the way in or all the way out.

what is so hard for people to comprehend about, "Shall Not Be Infringed"........

RJMercer 12-27-2013 04:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Mercator (Post 1468044)
I doubt you have met or dealt with violent delusional individuals. They can be as quick and coordinated as they are often determined and unpredictable. What insane people do or don't understand, you cannot possibly know. They are insane, and sometimes suicidal.

Of course they must be properly diagnosed, not just labeled. Point is, all weapons for all human beings, regardless, is a fantasy that does not serve us well.

Weapons as deemed appropriate by the purchaser of said weapon that has made the conscious cogent decision to have the most effective equipment available for the purposes of personal defense. Not every single breathing human being.
If violent delusional individuals are so determined and unpredictable and sometimes suicidal and won't rethink themselves even in the face of impending doom as a result of their actions, what makes us think they will respond in compliance with a law that you and I would comply with? I don't expect a person with a strained connection with reality to be able to connect with legality or morality. Do you?
Murder has been frowned upon for millenia but it still tends to happen. Passing prohibitive laws against owning an instrument that could possibly be misused to murder is pointless. When you have crossed that line to take innocent life the other laws you chose to break are ancillary. Those prohibitive laws just make victims more plentiful and easier to find.


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