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Old 03-27-2013, 03:43 PM   #11
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I don't like real liberal democrats. I think they stand for everything America is not. And there the most intolerable people for being so liberal. Most of my friends are democrats. I was hoping they would grow out of it. I voted for Obama his first term and during his term I moved out of my parents house and bought my own. And joined the military. Also my dad bought a business just before he took office. As his term went on I realized how bad he lied and was full of dookie. He had a thing on his website during his last campaign about what he did for small business. I showed it to my dad and he said that none of it was true or that he's just giving those benefits to his friends. Pretty much Obama made my decision for me and I will never vote for democrats again.



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Or when everybody was bashing that man for supporting his son's cross dressing.... They started back pedaling after Vincine took them to task.
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I've voted for democrats in the past, Sam Nunn for instance, but only vote for pro-gun candidates regardless of party affiliate.
I definitely look at pro-gun stance but there are so many other factors I look into, also. There are so many important issues I think it's a mistake to look at only one issue.


In life, I tend to want to "mind my own business". If I don't like someone or like their opinions, I avoid them. Check them off my list of people to associate with. The only thing I can control and do anything about is myself, my home, my money, my situations in general. I don't fret over things I can't fix or control.

My Dad was diagnosed with a large-ish aortic aneurysm. My brother flipped and started worrying like crazy. My Dad is in no physical condition to have it surgically repaired. I told my brother I wasn't going to worry about it. He ranted that it can blow and Dad would be dead within minutes. I pointed out to him that if it's going to happen, it's going to happen. Him worrying and getting all hysterical about it isn't going to change anything. I told him I was going to enjoy my Dad for as long as I could and not let worry of something I can't do anything about mar the time I have with my Dad. My brother never mentioned my Dad's aneurysm again. I can guarantee you all I'm probably never going to die of an ulcer or high blood pressure. ROFLMAO I don't get worked up, hysterical or worried too often.


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To each his own, and live with it.
Lincoln was a Republican President and died for it.
Kennedy was a Democrat and died for it.

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A few additional points:

I said I'm a Democrat, I didn't use the word "liberal". If anything I would have to describe myself as a centrist or moderately conservative Democrat, except that there are so few real ones left.

Someone said the Democratic Party isn't what it used to be, and that's true. Neither is the Republican Party. What passes for political discourse in this country has degenerated almost beyond repair, with hard-core ideologues on both sides of the aisle hell-bent on avoiding the compromise that it takes to get governing done. There used to be people in both parties--James Baker, Dick Lugar, John Sherman Cooper, Tip O'Neil, all real political professionals--who were brilliant at achieving agreement across the aisle so that things could actually get done. It worked. Now we have a do-nothing Congress, the least productive in decades in terms of legislation passed, and the people who try to break the gridlock are damned by the extreme wings of their parties for being "weak".

I have voted for Republicans on more than one occasion. Don't think I ever but once voted a straight Democratic ticket. But I look for people who can find common ground in the middle, long enough to carry on the nation's business.

I believe that the Congress of the United States, on both sides of the aisle, is at least 90% bought and paid for by special interests, and that if we don't get some kind of real campaign finance reform it will stay that way.

As I said in my original post, I'm pretty optimistic about people as individuals, and pessimistic about institutions. The current Democratic and Republican Parties rank very high on my list of organizations I think are screwing things up and spending their time fighting, to the detriment of the country I love.

When I began voting you had to be twenty-one. I'm glad that changed, but I despair of the understanding so many 18-year-olds have today of the political process and the obligations of citizenship. My sister was on a bus before the last presidential election--days before the election--and stuck up a conversation with a girl of about twenty. Sis asked, "So, who are you voting for for President?" And the kid answered, "Gee, I don't know. Who's running?" I almost cried when I heard that.

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I am a die hard union member. Have been for YEARS. The union has done a lot for me and I have done a lot for my union brothers. The Democratic party has done a lot to support unions and union workers.

I said that to say this... Union rights are important but only affect union workers. Constitutional rights were implemented to ensure liberty and freedom for EVERY American. If the Democrats intend to infringe on our constitutional rights, they can stick that union card up their collective ass! I'm a goddam Republican now!

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My Grandfather is a Democrat. The funny thing is he is nothing like the socialist party that has taken over the party. He is a good man with good values. The only part about him that pisses me off is he does not care if there was a sport utility rifle ban. He says as long as they don't take my hunting rifle. Ignorance at best....

I like to refer to myself as a free thinker. If I had to call myself anything it would be libertarian.

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America first and always, if your supporting the Constitution and BOR's as they are written, I support you no matter what party your crazy enough to align yourself with. The moment one strays or compromises them, your history in my book. Its painfully clear that neither party is representing the Oath their winning candidates swear to uphold unlike the service members that take the oath and keep it!

SZ, I try not to generalize about memberships in groups because Ive found few that truly have devout and consistent voices outside of their gatherings. If one self Identifies as a Liberal, Progressive or Conservative, that can be judged because thats a mindset not an organization. I am generally Conservative but always pro Constitution/ BOR's first.

Special interest groups have tried to coop the term Pro Choice as their right to choose life or death of a baby. Real Pro Choice Americans are strict constitutionalists not judge, jury and executioner. The choices (rights and responsibilities) are outlined in our BORs, what we choose to do with them is up to us not republicrats with a plan.

I think the reason Gay bashers on FTF checked themselves when V came out was that she wasnt telling us what we should believe or that we were responsible to support her particular choice; she just asserted her right to choose for herself something that does not violate our constitutional rights in any way. Its pretty hard to argue against that logic. Besides, V didnt say she was Gay, she is TG, not exactly the same thing unless one says they are both at the same time. Either way or both, as long as were not forced to do anything against our rights because of her choice, its none of our Business.

Be Democrat or Republican, Liberal or Conservative for yourself and those your charged to care for; otherwise, be American first or your probably just another Republicrat.

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A few additional points:

I said I'm a Democrat, I didn't use the word "liberal". If anything I would have to describe myself as a centrist or moderately conservative Democrat, except that there are so few real ones left.

Someone said the Democratic Party isn't what it used to be, and that's true. Neither is the Republican Party. What passes for political discourse in this country has degenerated almost beyond repair, with hard-core ideologues on both sides of the aisle hell-bent on avoiding the compromise that it takes to get governing done. There used to be people in both parties--James Baker, Dick Lugar, John Sherman Cooper, Tip O'Neil, all real political professionals--who were brilliant at achieving agreement across the aisle so that things could actually get done. It worked. Now we have a do-nothing Congress, the least productive in decades in terms of legislation passed, and the people who try to break the gridlock are damned by the extreme wings of their parties for being "weak".

I have voted for Republicans on more than one occasion. Don't think I ever but once voted a straight Democratic ticket. But I look for people who can find common ground in the middle, long enough to carry on the nation's business.

I believe that the Congress of the United States, on both sides of the aisle, is at least 90% bought and paid for by special interests, and that if we don't get some kind of real campaign finance reform it will stay that way.

As I said in my original post, I'm pretty optimistic about people as individuals, and pessimistic about institutions. The current Democratic and Republican Parties rank very high on my list of organizations I think are screwing things up and spending their time fighting, to the detriment of the country I love.

When I began voting you had to be twenty-one. I'm glad that changed, but I despair of the understanding so many 18-year-olds have today of the political process and the obligations of citizenship. My sister was on a bus before the last presidential election--days before the election--and stuck up a conversation with a girl of about twenty. Sis asked, "So, who are you voting for for President?" And the kid answered, "Gee, I don't know. Who's running?" I almost cried when I heard that.
Have you considered looking into the Libertarian party? It sounds like you would support their platform. At least as far as rights go. I don't know your economic views.

http://www.lp.org/platform
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Trouble is, even those Democrats in Congress who are 2nd Amendment/NRA supporters dance to whatever tune the White House is playing. The Hon. Sen. Harry Reid comes to mind.
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This thread is an outstanding example of what can be achieved when we discuss our views with other adults, whether we agree or agree to disagree. However, it's still an immature thread and there will probably be more heated disagreement down the road.

This is the type of interplay of ideas and ideals that I wish our government leaders would engage in, and not the partisan politicking they have sunk to over the last decade or so. We'll never "fix all of the problems" that a nation as diverse as our is, needs to have addressed, but this truly is how our thoughts and beliefs can be aired and altered in a mature, rational manner.

I, personally, am not affiliated with any political party. I feel we are in dire need of a third viable political party, to end the partisanship and gridlock in our nations government. I have not found any current option worth my whole-hearted backing, timewise and financially.

I appreciate all of the posters time and effort to participate in this discussion and I will follow it to see where it leads.



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