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shouldazagged 03-26-2013 10:01 PM

Stranger In A Strange Land
I believe absolutely in the Constitutional guarantees of the Second Amendment, and the First. I believe in our right to keep and bear arms, and to speak our minds without fear of censorship. I believe in a free press and broadcast media and free expression of opinions--all opinions, and everybody's opinions--in print, on the air, or in private conversation. I may disagree with your opinion, I may loathe it, but will support your right to express it because countless good people have given their lives to protect that right.

I've been a fisherman for almost seventy years, and was a hunter until my health and age made me stop. I own guns. I've carried concealed since shortly after it became legal in Kentucky around sixteen years ago.

I'm 75 years old. I have memories of World War II, the one Studs Terkel called "the good war" in his fine oral history by that title. It bothers me a lot that veterans of the Korean War didn't get more respect and appreciation from a war-weary country.

I was brought up in a traditional home with traditional values in the '30's, '40's and '50's. I was raised to be a gentleman: to say "yes ma'am, no ma'am, thank you ma'am, please", to respect my elders, to care for the aged and sick, and to open doors for others. I don't use obscene language in the presence of ladies or children, and not in the company of most men.

I believe in working for a living, and worked for fifty-four years before ill health forced me to retire when I was almost 71. My father retired four times, the last time when he was eighty. I live on Social Security and a very small pension, but I paid into them in order to have that as my only income now.

I believe that voting is not a privilege but an obligation. It's how we pay our dues for living in what is an imperfect democracy, but is a democracy. If you don't vote, don't complain to me about the government.

I've been lucky enough to observe seventy-five years of the most fascinating and complex history of all time, and I've watched it pretty closely and studied it. As a result I'm pessimistic about institutions and organizations--people in organized groups do tend to screw things up--but I'm pretty optimistic about individuals. I think most people, not all but most, are basically good. I've seen too much to be a real conspiracy theorist.

I'm alarmed by the lack of training in basic courtesy and citizenship kids are getting today, and I'm proud that my middle-aged children are bucking that trend and raising theirs right.

I do not have horns, cloven hooves or a tail.

I am a life-long Democrat. I really don't like being suspected of being a Communist on that account. And sometimes I don't feel very welcome here.

Flame if you must. I'm too old, and too comfortable with who I am today, to worry about it much. Just don't accuse me of not loving my country.

danf_fl 03-27-2013 12:57 PM

Being a true democrat is not the same as "in-name-only" (like a lot of our politicians).

I believe that this country is a republic based on democracy (one person decides based on majority input without violating an individual's rights).

But most democratic party politicians do not adhere to the Democratic Party Charter (if they did, we would not have such a mess).

I remember the oath I've taken (more than once) to "protect and defend the United States Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic". I wish others would follow suit.

eatmydust 03-27-2013 01:05 PM

Amen, to both posts!

7point62 03-27-2013 01:31 PM

I've got nothing against Democrats. I admired JFK who championed the fight against Communism in Southeast Asia (and elsewhere), and guys like Harry Truman, Sam Nunn and John Glenn.

My problem is with the liberal-socialist agenda. I have a big problem with that. I am fed up with limp-wristed appeasers, apologizers and gutless wimps who want to degrade our military, our economy and our morality until we are just one more weak Euro-centic socialist state. I am sick of force-fed political correctness, revisionist history, parents who take no responsibilty for the actions of their children, professional welfare mothers, Hollywood movie stars who shoot their mouths off as if they know what real life is all about, people who want special priviledges based solely upon who or what they like to screw, and anybody who tries to erode, limit or repeal my Constitutional rights. The list goes on...

DrumJunkie 03-27-2013 02:02 PM

Doesn't matter if you are a Democrat or Republican. Personally putting myself in one of those pigeon holes is a mistake. One should vote for the man (or Ma'am as the case may be) not the party. It's a huge mistake most voters fall victim to.

shouldazagged, If people can't get past your party then too bad. If you believe in what you say then say it. If someone does doesn't like it then so be it. You have put in your time, you paid your dues. You keep up with your obligation to get involved in the voting process and that alone puts you a little higher on the respect pole than many I know. Our freedom comes at a price. One of those payments we make is taking the time to cast a ballot.

That being said when you put yourself in a situation where your opinions will draw negative attention you have to make sure you have your thick skin exposed and your man pants on. Pay attention to who it is that gives you the oppising arguement adn consider the source. Agree or not people should be able to make their point without acting like a prissy child. We are supposed ot be adults, this is a gun forum after all. It's a grown ups passion we share. So it should not be hard to act like an adult and speak/type accordingly.
We have to as adults though be willing to see an opposing view that has been well written not always as a flame attack and just an opposing opinion. WE have to try to ask and answer questions in the discussion. And most importantly ,have the wisdom to understand and admit when we are wrong.

Your Bio is something I fine quite admirable. You seem to have a good set of ethics. I'm not all that sure how they mix with the Democrat or liberal mind set. But if yo uhave fund a way then good for you. It makes you a beter man than me in that aspect. I have little faith in either of the two main party. Bot when left to their own devices will go crap house crazy and that is no good for this country. GW and a GOP Congress showed us just how screwed up the party is. And Obama's 1st term gave us the same pains. just for another direction. I've found that a balance in power between the two seems to have the best effect.

Anyway, the subject matter of this forum attracts many that have no interest in losing any of our rights. In fact we would like a few of them back. The sitting Pres. has made a mockery of our Constitution. All the wile blaming the other party for the ills. There simply is no way to stop a hole from getting bigger by adding more shovels.

The last GOP poster boy did no better. He was no ta real Republican and it's people like this that caused many to believe the GOP left them..As I believe. I didn't leave the GOP, the GOP left me.
Both these two spend money like a welfare mother at a flea market. And no matter the color of the tie it's just wrong.

I will ask though OP. Did you vote for this POTUS? Did you do so in both elections? If so I'm interested in what made you do so.

CrazedJava 03-27-2013 02:14 PM

I grew up a Democrat. The problem is that the Democrats are not the same party they use to be. They have been co-opted by all kinds of special interests and while they like to talk about "common sense" solutions what they usually mean is we want tax people more to increase the size of the government.

Many of the values you talk about the contemporary Democratic party now stands against. They are uncomfortable talking about the traditional family and want to pretend there is no impact on kids raised in single-parent broken homes despite study after study showing that those kids are at a huge disadvantage. The Dems talk about being for "the little guy" but more and more are run by coastal elites completely out of touch with the world who never ask if their ideaology actually fits reality.

I tried the Republicans but just like I didn't get into my actual reasons for leaving the Democrats I won't get into why I no longer am. I will say I was a Republican for a much shorter period of time than I was a Democrat. However, I do find myself mostly voting for Republicans these days because while the GOP does frustrate me to no end their ideas are usually less damaging to the country as a whole. That said, I am all for voting out the establishment politicians on both sides.

Also, I grew up believing that the Democrats would fight for the 1st Amendment while the Republicans would fight for the 2nd. Now we live in an age where a foreign attack led to the jailing of an American filmmaker and the sitting President has signed the NDAA which allows the indefinite detention of American citizens for almost no reason at all. The Democrats have utterly failed as champions of the 1st Amendment.

They are failing as a party. I do not think they are "evil" or "sick" like some people assert, but they are no longer the party of the working man and have not been so for a long time now.

winds-of-change 03-27-2013 03:02 PM

I really like this thread. So many here bash just on the label of "Democrat".

This is an excellent thread.

I imagine some will say 'Democrats suck except for you, Shouldazagged'. Just like when I was unemployed I read posts about all the lazy people collecting unemployment and when I pointed out I was on unemployment the poster would say I was the exception. :cool:

MisterMcCool 03-27-2013 03:11 PM


Originally Posted by winds-of-change

I imagine some will say 'Democrats suck except for you, Shouldazagged'. Just like when I was unemployed I read posts about all the lazy people collecting unemployment and when I pointed out I was on unemployment the poster would say I was the exception. :cool:

Or when everybody was bashing that man for supporting his son's cross dressing.... They started back pedaling after Vincine took them to task.

CrazedJava 03-27-2013 03:22 PM


Originally Posted by winds-of-change (Post 1192762)
I really like this thread. So many here bash just on the label of "Democrat".

This is an excellent thread.

I still think of myself as a "Closet Democrat" even though I can count on one hand how many Democrats I have voted for since I turned 18. I hold out hope that the party will someday return to its roots.

They used to be a good counterpart to the Republican party and I'm not so young that I don't remember the days that the GOP and Dems used to actually compromise even though everyone involved always looked like they swallowed castor oil afterwards.

RUG3R44 03-27-2013 03:40 PM

I've voted for democrats in the past, Sam Nunn for instance, but only vote for pro-gun candidates regardless of party affiliate.

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