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Old 08-02-2012, 05:46 PM   #21
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The act of 1 dickhead shouldn't affect the rights of millions.

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Old 08-02-2012, 05:46 PM   #22
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Drvsafe:

you are proud citizen of New Jersey, correct?

You think MORE regulations will help? Regulations on ammo this time?

I would like you to truthfully answer this question.

How have all the "feel good" regulations NJ already have in place (FOID, ID, Magazine capacity etc ad.nauseium ) helped with all the violent crime in Camden? or the rest of the state for that matter?

How has all the restrictions on law abiding citizens helped violent crime in Chitcago? New York?

NOW, after answering these questions truthfully, now answer this...how will even MORE regulations on law abiding citizens help??

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Old 08-02-2012, 07:01 PM   #23
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I'm so sick of the "I have nothing to hide" crap.

The problem with the nothing-to-hide argument is the underlying assumption that privacy is about hiding bad things.

And before you go off claiming that the Bill of Rights "grants" us no "right to privacy",read this:

"The enumeration in the Constitution of certain rights shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."
-United States Constitution, Ninth Amendment

The ninth amendment protects (it doesn't "grant" anything,nor does any article of the bill of rights,rather,it restricts government from infringing on the inalienable rights that preexist government) what are known as "implied rights".

Free people have the implied right to privacy.

So not only does this BS legislation from Lautenburg violate the second amendment (an infringement is an infringement,no matter how "small" it might seem),it also violates the 9th Amendment.

In fact,I find it odious to the entire concept of individual liberty when the government chooses to exploit isolated tragedies to insert itself into my business.

Yo,its bull**** man.

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It is not about hiding something or not hiding something, it simply boils down to who has a right to know what you have and what you don't have. No where can you find a right of government to know what, when, where and with who you do anything.

For 200 years there has been assualts on our constitution and our rights. It has at best been small pieces here and their, (For our own good). Before mass media came into play we hardly ever knew just what our leaches in government did. It was just excepted as something we can live with, or nothing I can do anything about.

Now we get to see what it all had lead up to and that is a quasi social-ist governing government. No party is eximpt from the responsibility of creating this monstrosity of want to be tyrants.

Restricting guns or ammo does nothing to combat crime, it only leads to hardships for the legal buyer of said items. Reporting how many bullets I buy has nothing to do with stopping crime, it only has to do with control of a free peoples.

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Oh,and Lautenburg claiming this sort of crap is authorized by the "commerce clause".This is more bull****.

"The defect of power in the existing Confederacy to regulate the commerce between its several members, is in the number of those which have been clearly pointed out by experience. To the proofs and remarks which former papers have brought into view on this subject, it may be added that without this supplemental provision, the great and essential power of regulating foreign commerce would have been incomplete and ineffectual. A very material object of this power was the relief of the States which import and export through other States, from the improper contributions levied on them by the latter. Were these at liberty to regulate the trade between State and State, it must be foreseen that ways would be found out to load the articles of import and export, during the passage through their jurisdiction, with duties which would fall on the makers of the latter and the consumers of the former. We may be assured by past experience, that such a practice would be introduced by future contrivances; and both by that and a common knowledge of human affairs, that it would nourish unceasing animosities, and not improbably terminate in serious interruptions of the public tranquillity. To those who do not view the question through the medium of passion or of interest, the desire of the commercial States to collect, in any form, an indirect revenue from their uncommercial neighbors, must appear not less impolitic than it is unfair; since it would stimulate the injured party, by resentment as well as interest, to resort to less convenient channels for their foreign trade. But the mild voice of reason, pleading the cause of an enlarged and permanent interest, is but too often drowned, before public bodies as well as individuals, by the clamors of an impatient avidity for immediate and immoderate gain. The necessity of a superintending authority over the reciprocal trade of confederated States...."
-James Madison, Federalist, no. 42, 283--85

The commerce clause,as one gentleman said earlier,is not a blanket grant of power to regulate commerce whichever way the government sees fit.
It was included in the Constitution to rectify a glaring problem under the Articles of Confederacy,namely trade tariffs between states that caused significant turbulence in the economy.

It was,in fact,a power to "make regular" commerce,or to keep commerce flowing regularly.In effect,it could be seen as the "fiber" that keeps the "movement" of commerce regular.

In its original form,it was seen as a "negative power",in other words,one of the states had to actually do something to cause an issue which needed redress by the central government before the government could act upon it.

The Supreme Court,up until Franklin Roosevelt threatened it with stacking of the justices,consistently ruled in this manner until the time of FDR's attempted blackmail.

Then,magically,and to support FDR's "grand new plans" for his "great society" (the socialist prick!) the court gave the government a complete 180 degree shift in power,granting it the power even to tell a man what he could or could not grow on his own damn property for his own consumption!(Wickard v. Filburn).

So now,today we have a huge behemoth of a federal government that is nowhere near the intention of the Founders.

"Do not separate text from historical background. If you do, you will have perverted and subverted the Constitution, which can only end in a distorted, bastardized form of illegitimate government."
-James Madison

This government is clearly a bastardization,when it has criminal politicians like Lautenburg constantly asserting this sort of power over We,The People!

These political hack phucks even think they can tell us how much water our toilets can use,and what kind of lightbulbs we have to buy!!!!

"........to those parts of the Constitution of the United States which delegate to Congress a power “to lay and collect taxes, duties, imports, and excises, to pay the debts, and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States,” and “to make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution, the powers vested by the Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof,” goes to the destruction of all limits prescribed to their powers by the Constitution: that words meant by the instrument to be subsidiary only to the execution of limited powers, ought not to be so construed as themselves to give unlimited powers......"
-Thomas Jefferson,Kentucky Resolutions of 1798

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Would it be good enough for me to "facetime" them in an order and show my driver's license when i want to order online ammo? C'mon Silly Sam!

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Yeah.

Stick that in your Snookie and smoke it!

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[QUOTE=drvsafe;890584]

It never will pass the muster of Congress, we ALL know that. but at the end of the day, there does need to be a happy medium between 2A proponents and gun control-ers, there just has to be. We ALL live in the same country!

The happy medium you speak of is called the second ammendment, go ahead say it, it wont hurt. "Shall not be infringed"........ what dont you understand about it? We all live in the same country but we dont all follow the rule of law. The constitution needs to be followed by all, not just when it benefits us politically. Give a little take a little is complete bullsh*t, they take a little and take a little more and soon we have no rights left.

I don't want to sound like a sheeple, thought I am doing so.

UH HUH

but if you dig deep into the wording of these "acts" and make them to a point to where both sides can be satisfied; GC freaks get some BS controls, and 2A advocates feel that our rights are not infringed upon, then let's get it freakin over with already and move on.

Wont the BS controls you advocate "infringe" all by themselves? Yes we should hurry up and just satisfy the socialist left to get it over with, our personal freedoms are over rated and after all im sure they will give something in return......

I disagree, you are not a staunch supporter of the 2nd ammendment like you claim in your OP. You are part of the problem when it comes to our rights being shredded like worthless paper just to forward a political agenda and continue our spiral into socialism.

I need to puke.

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First of all, politicians (most) really don't give a $hit about anything except what makes them look good and get elected.

Second, I don't initially have a problem giving ID to purchase ammo.

But thirdly, this could be another baby step in the final countdown of the total banning of firearms for US citizens.

How do you eat an elephant ?
One bite at a time.

Keep chipping away at something no matter how large, and eventually it will be gone.

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